Hunting Incident

[GCTerpfan]

I would like to think you would get a call at a minimum. Good news... you've been documenting everything in this thread. If you get questioned, I would direct them here.

If you plan on doing this and need a mod to delete all of the incriminating posts first @bj139 just let me or @skell know.

 

[DroptineKrazy]

I say “lock him up” he’s a woods spitter


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[bj139]

I was in Onxhunt looking at the GPS coordinates of my preset loop to report the salt block and I hit save and now the waypoint is gone. I had to hit save or delete. I am sure I didn't hit delete. The waypoint was still on the computer link at the Onxhunt website.

 

[bj139]

If you plan on doing this and need a mod to delete all of the incriminating posts first @bj139 just let me or @skell know.

I still have not been able to find how close I could hunt from a salt block someone else placed. If I knew I could bring a tape measure with me and make sure. Maybe all these woods are now off limits. I wish I knew.

 

[bj139]

I say “lock him up” he’s a woods spitter


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LOL. Keep going, if an opportunity presents itself.

 

[DroptineKrazy]

I still have not been able to find how close I could hunt from a salt block someone else placed. If I knew I could bring a tape measure with me and make sure. Maybe all these woods are now off limits. I wish I knew.

It’s probably defined vaguely as a reasonable distance or something like that.


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[Weldabeast]

Honestly, I think that is a good idea. I report any bait I may find as it is illegal and I don't want to stumble upon it if I am out hunting. I do believe it's very important to know your rules for where you hunt as well as asking wardens about walking up on bait and how far you can hunt away from it?

A friend of mine was assumed to have killed a deer over bait on a local NWR and the warden made him walk him to where he shot the deer showing stand site, where the deer was standing when he shot it as well as track it to the gut pile(he removed the guts after shooting it). They had to walk over a mile one way to get to the shot site.

My question was, what if the deer had ate corn in a neighboring field and he had shot him? If that would have been the case, he would have definitely received a ticket that day as well as had to go to court. Maybe our wardens are too harsh, lol.

Just like with a traffic stop....u may get an officer that is super cool and u also may get a super douche. If u haven't done anything wrong no reason to worry...I like to record my tracks with the gps so I can proof I was in the right

 

[bj139]

I think I'll go and get some good fixes on the salt block locations and check if the tree stands are tagged with names and numbers as required by law. I'm retired, so I have nothing better to do except hunt. If it was Saturday, no way I would go.

 

[bj139]

Just like with a traffic stop....u may get an officer that is super cool and u also may get a super douche. If u haven't done anything wrong no reason to worry...I like to record my tracks with the gps so I can proof I was in the right

I have some Onxhunt tracks where I'm sitting in a tree and my position is moving 20 feet left and 20 feet right and all over the place. I am not sure if this is inherent GPS accuracy or not.

 

[Weldabeast]

I have some Onxhunt tracks where I'm sitting in a tree and my position is moving 20 feet left and 20 feet right and all over the place. I am not sure if this is inherent GPS accuracy or not.

I just have a free app on my phone and it is off sometimes to, but I think u will have to encounter a real a-hole if that info u show them doesn't convince them....

 

[bj139]

I just reported it through the online form. I think I have reasonable GPS coordinates although Onxhunt synced the gone waypoint setup to the computer so it's gone there as well. Anyone else have this problem? I'm getting ready to go hunting this afternoon. I hope I don't see anyone else.

 

[GCTerpfan]

I still have not been able to find how close I could hunt from a salt block someone else placed. If I knew I could bring a tape measure with me and make sure. Maybe all these woods are now off limits. I wish I knew.

I doubt it is defined by distance my guess is it says "in or around" or "area influenced by", etc. and I know that PA has some strict rules regarding the "residue" left from mineral or salt licks. I can almost guarantee you that 50 yds away would be a violation.

Edit: A quick search found this, https://www.media.pa.gov/Pages/Game-Commission-Details.aspx?newsid=59#:~:text=Under Pennsylvania law, it generally,to lure game or wildlife.

" Under Pennsylvania law, it generally is unlawful to hunt in or around any area where artificial or natural bait, hay, grain, fruit, nut, salt, chemical, mineral or other food – including their residues – are used or have been used within the past 30 days as an enticement to lure game or wildlife."

There are some other quotes by the Head of the Game and Fish Enforcement Division you might find interesting.

 

[lawrence]

a blame everyone guy. run into a few of those.
The only thing you can control in life is how you react. Sometimes you need to put them in their place to get them to act like a decent human being. I have met good, respectful, and helpful people. I have also met some real self obsessed jerks. Some even vandalized others gear!
The only thing i can control is how i react. and how it reflects on me.

 

[bj139]

I guess I should be mad at these other hunters for making an area unhuntable for everyone because of their baiting.

 

[Droptine85.mt]

It was under the ladder stand. The block was about 50 yards from me, not a location I would choose to place it if bow hunting. I couldn't see the block or the other stand from where I was. I think if the game warden walked past the other stand and salt block to me up a tree he couldn't possibly say I was hunting over bait. If I am 200 yards from the block am I hunting over bait? The whole woods here would be unhuntable. There is another ladder stand with a salt block about 30 yards away. I was about 30 yards from this block a few days ago. The vegetation around the blocks is dead so they have been there a while sort of like the ladder stands. Not my saddle. It is in my truck.

The whole issue with this is you knew the bait was present prior to you hanging your stand and hunting. You are just as guilty as if you had put it out yourself. In a lot of states there is no “predetermined” distance you can/can not be to be considered hunting over bait. That’s how it is in Arkansas anyway!


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[SaddleUpPartner!]

So you think that because someone puts up a tree stand they have reserved that spot exclusively for them on public land? What if they are not there? Do you still stay out of their exclusive zone? If I put up a tree stand every 50 yards in the woods do you have to stay out of my whole area? There is no limit to the madness. Today, I hunted about 40 yards from an empty tree stand. The guy conveniently left a salt block about 10 yards from his stand in violation of state law. If I'm there first I will hunt where I am. A tree stand is not a flag, claiming ownership of a common area just like your pants.

Its basically telling myself where other people are going to be and where I’m trying to avoid. I don’t want to be near people or the potential for people. It also gives me a visual of places where the deer could be like swamps or bedding. I just see hunting near others’ spots as unneeded risk unless the stand looks abandoned.

 

[DanielB89]

I guess I should be mad at these other hunters for making an area unhuntable for everyone because of their baiting.

Honestly, yes. How ticked would you be to get a ticket from a bait site that is not yours?

I report every bait I find.

I have another friend who was up deer hunting last year and planned to sit all day; around midday he hears someone coming and he's walking straight to where he is. Next he watches the guy pull out a bag of the bait that looks like dirt(brown powder) and he begins dumping it on the ground. Scatters it all around and then walks away. My buddy filmed the whole thing and then posted it in a facebook group. Later that evening the guy turned himself in and it didn't end well for him.

 

[bj139]

The whole issue with this is you knew the bait was present prior to you hanging your stand and hunting. You are just as guilty as if you had put it out yourself. In a lot of states there is no “predetermined” distance you can/can not be to be considered hunting over bait. That’s how it is in Arkansas anyway!


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I can't recall.

Since this land is contiguous with the state of Arkansas, does that mean you can't hunt either?

 

[sojourner]

Do you think they would care enough to go out and take a look? This is a state park so I am not sure if the few park rangers there would be interested. Maybe I will report this to the authorities.

A game warden would come out, not a park ranger. If you give them the evidence of illegal baiting (picture with GPS location), then I think they would send someone out.

 

[sojourner]

I just looked at that site and the online form. It does not mention baiting only the illegal killing of big game. I don't think they have time to stake out every illegal salt block.

It would be an illegal kill when killing over bait. Even in the special regulations area Nockamixon is in, baiting is only allowed on private and with more restrictions.

The digest has all the info.

https://www.pgc.pa.gov/HuntTrap/Law/Documents/2020-21%20Hunting%20Trapping%20Digest/2020-21%20Hunting%20Trapping%20Digest.pdf