Hypothetically, what would be the best cross loading carabiner?

[BTaylor]

I am really curious what kinda Soul Train audition one would have to be practicing to get a locking carabiner to open unintentionally.

 

[Chandler96]

My basic objection to this whole thing is saddle hunting application is already a safety hijacking of climbing & arborist established practices. There aren’t “real” rules just best practices….. so under that premise there are few experts present. I know that administrators & mods aren’t trying to keep folks from the cutting edge or new gear applications but rather a topic being discussed/ debated & then someone googles that topic & uses fragments of those discussions without context & adopts a potentially harmful “best practice “ into their routine. I think some of what you’re getting back @Chandler96 is part of this community has seen these same discussions over the years as this elevated hunting method has gained popularity, folks don’t want to endorse or give their “hypothetical” blessing knowing what the possible outcomes could be. Not everyone communicates that the same but that’s the skinny. Plus there’s been some trolling in the past along these lines…….

I get that, and I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. In my opinion we need to start looking at everything. Asking questions and going against the grain is the only way to learn new things whether they fail or succeed. I'm not saying to try those new things at 20ft high, but everything is worth a try. As everyone can see I'm not one to shy away from trying new things or at least discussing them. I rarely if ever come up with my own ideas here. I usually see someone else doing it and seriously think about it and ask questions. So, I'm never the first.

 

[kyler1945]

For better or worse, this website has become an institution for mobile deer hunting.

For better or worse people look to this website as if it has authority on these topics.

The reason why, is because of the type of website this used to be.

It is different now.

But that’s all facts, as some say.

Here’s another fact: if you’re on this website, your bear a responsibility as part of that institution to behave appropriately.

Behaving appropriately is not leveraging the internet to spread bad ideas that directly result in people getting hurt or killed.


It’s not illegal. It’s not in the rules. It’s the basic norms of a civil society. Just because you choose not to think deeply about it doesn’t change it. Just because you think the safety police are out to control you doesn’t change it.

 

[Chandler96]

I am really curious what kinda Soul Train audition one would have to be practicing to get a locking carabiner to open unintentionally.

I'm thinking the same about a wire. Some of these movements people are showing wouldn't ever happen in the hunting situations I run. Maybe I move less than others but I'm still trying to figure it out.

 

[Chandler96]

For better or worse, this website has become an institution for mobile deer hunting.

For better or worse people look to this website as if it has authority on these topics.

The reason why, is because of the type of website this used to be.

It is different now.

But that’s all facts, as some say.

Here’s another fact: if you’re on this website, your bear a responsibility as part of that institution to behave appropriately.

Behaving appropriately is not leveraging the internet to spread bad ideas that directly result in people getting hurt or killed.


It’s not illegal. It’s not in the rules. It’s the basic norms of a civil society. Just because you choose not to think deeply about it doesn’t change it. Just because you think the safety police are out to control you doesn’t change it.

Ok, but who decides if those ideas are "bad" The mods can certainly do that. I have no problem with them shutting this down. Climbing a tree includes risk and "bad" ideas if you don't want to get hurt. Just because you think it's a bad idea doesn't mean it is.

 

[Horn]

I am really curious what kinda Soul Train audition one would have to be practicing to get a locking carabiner to open unintentionally.

In the videos I posted I really think that started as a way for Brent Roth to prove that it could happen to Ryan Jenks. Brent doesn't seem like a " super good enough, lol" guy like Ryan. Like the work Hownot2 does for sure. Brent seems to take safety and redundancy extremely serious, which is a good thing

 

[Horn]

For better or worse, this website has become an institution for mobile deer hunting.

For better or worse people look to this website as if it has authority on these topics.

The reason why, is because of the type of website this used to be.

It is different now.

But that’s all facts, as some say.

Here’s another fact: if you’re on this website, your bear a responsibility as part of that institution to behave appropriately.

Behaving appropriately is not leveraging the internet to spread bad ideas that directly result in people getting hurt or killed.


It’s not illegal. It’s not in the rules. It’s the basic norms of a civil society. Just because you choose not to think deeply about it doesn’t change it. Just because you think the safety police are out to control you doesn’t change it.

Does this apply to calling others clowns and using their death as a comedic device?or just talking about carabiners? Sure seems like both sides should conduct themselves better

 

[BTaylor]

I have avoided commenting in this one because I use both locking and non-locking. Non-locking on my lineman and locking everywhere else. I opted to set my stuff up that way because I dont leave the ground without being on my rappel rope so I have less concern, right or wrong, about using a non-locking on the lineman. 95 percent of the time my main line is attached to the tree using a running jrb hitch but I will climb using a locking biner around the tree like tailgunner's pics if I know I am going to be dealing with multiple limbs. Once at the top I will switch out the binner for the running jrb hitch.

I am happy that this forum leans heavily towards promoting safe practices first rather than what might work ok. All folks that come to a public forum and ask an "is this ok" type question should expect replies to heavily lean toward best practices. If they then decide to try a different avenue, have at it. I been guilty of that plenty.

 

[redsquirrel]

I think we've had enough.

 

[Bigterp]

Does this apply to calling others clowns and using their death as a comedic device?or just talking about carabiners? Sure seems like both sides should conduct themselves better

Of course… but welcome to the internet. Somewhere in the middle right? If proposed ideas fall outside of what’s widely viewed as best practices this is what the thread looks like. For the sake of discussion we try our best not to censor or shut stuff down. Some times it just devolves to arguments not discussion. Fine line between is this still beneficial or an online fight over nothing. Now you see it from my side……