John Eberhart - Scent control regimen

[EricS]

@John Eberhart you posted a link earlier to send an e-mail request for caring for scentlok. I’m having a difficult time finding it. Could you post it again please?

@everyone John posts these threads to help people who are trying scent control and encourage those considering it. It’s a glass half full vs half empty argument and both sides will never be wrong or right. @redsquirrel is right in that we need to quit arguing. If the naysayers want to make detailed posts on how they pick hunting locations that allow them to hunt mature deer in swirly wind conditions I will gladly read it with an open mind and may even try to duplicate your method.

 

[John Eberhart]

It would be a real shame if I had to ban all talk about scent control on this site. I am SICK of the bickering and members attacking each other. Why do you guys care so much how someone else hunts??? If it works for you, keep it up. If it doesn't, drop it.
Scent control hunters- if you feel it works, consider that you have a leg up on the guys who don't use it.
Non scent control hunters- If you don't think it works, consider that you have a leg up on guys who use it.

Unfortunately this topic brings out the worst of people. I'm locking this thread and any other threads that get out of hand.
Come on guys, its Christmas.

Merry Christmas.

I agree totally and posted them because I want hunters to be the best they can be and because I get hundreds of email requests every year about it and feel if I post it on-line that I wouldn't have to answer as many emails.

In the future I will only respond two hunters that are asking me questions on scent control not anything negative.

I promise

 

[autumn_sniper]

@John Eberhart you posted a link earlier to send an e-mail request for caring for scentlok. I’m having a difficult time finding it. Could you post it again please?

@everyone John posts these threads to help people who are trying scent control and encourage those considering it. It’s a glass half full vs half empty argument and both sides will never be wrong or right. @redsquirrel is right in that we need to quit arguing. If the naysayers want to make detailed posts on how they pick hunting locations that allow them to hunt mature deer in swirly wind conditions I will gladly read it with an open mind and may even try to duplicate your method.

Likewise, I’d like to think I’m being helpful when asked questions about ScentLok or scent control in general. I read John’s material and it made a monumental difference in my hunting success as my before and after pictures will show. (See ‘David Ferianc before and after’). John’s mission is to help others achieve similar success just like in my case. We can get passionate about it because we know the science behind it and have the bucks to prove it. That being said, it’s a system that requires consistency and discipline and it’s not for everyone. If you’re killing monsters by playing the wind then God bless you and no need to look into another way! But if not, or you’re looking to be even more successful, an extreme scent elimination regimen WILL make a difference.

 

[huck72412]

@John Eberhart
What do you attribute the biggest part of your success to?
Considering you have years of bow hunting experience along with years of scent control practice. Which of these defines your success the most?

 

[John Eberhart]

@John Eberhart
What do you attribute the biggest part of your success to?
Considering you have years of bow hunting experience along with years of scent control practice. Which of these defines your success the most?

I attribute my success to paying attention to every detail and knowing how mature bucks in pressured areas behave.

There is absolutely no question though that using a saddle and not having to pay attention to wind direction because I know how to properly care for and use ScentLok has had a huge influence on taking mature bucks. There are tens of thousands of hunters in the country that hunt in lightly hunted states and in managed areas that consistently kill mature bucks. However in heavily pressured areas where every detail of the hunt must be scrutinized before stepping in the woods, very few hunters consistently take mature bucks.

 

[Huntorbhunted]

Why not just where a base layer and wash your outer garments and put them in totes and dress in the field

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[John Eberhart]

Why not just where a base layer and wash your outer garments and put them in totes and dress in the field

I wished it were that easy, but that simply doesn't work to the same degree as having a properly cared for, stored and used exterior ScentLok suit which consists of a jacket, pants, head cover WITH drop down facemask and gloves. And of course old (used a while to rid of odors) odorless rubber or neoprene boots and a scent free pack. Anything short of that is asking to get winded if hunting in a pressured area where mature bucks rarely more during daylight and are much more in tune with their survival instincts than the rather stupid deer seen on TV and in most videos. The TV guys have huge flaws in their scent control regimen but can get away with it because where they hunt bucks are allowed to pass by humans during season without consequence. That just doesn't happen in pressured areas where most hunters are targeting any legal antlered buck and those that survive their first antlered season have developed a brain to avoid hunters.

 

[Huntorbhunted]

I understand what your saying I live and hunt in Pennsylvania. But even yourself when it's raining will wear rivers west waterproof clothes over top of your scent lok. So if one would wear the activated carbon base layer headcover and drop down face mask as well as wash all outer garments in scent free soap what would the difference be? I'm not trying to argue with you and I know your regimine just trying to save a little cash thanks.

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[Hillclimber]

I wished it were that easy, but that simply doesn't work to the same degree as having a properly cared for, stored and used exterior ScentLok suit which consists of a jacket, pants, head cover WITH drop down facemask and gloves. And of course old (used a while to rid of odors) odorless rubber or neoprene boots and a scent free pack. Anything short of that is asking to get winded if hunting in a pressured area where mature bucks rarely more during daylight and are much more in tune with their survival instincts than the rather stupid deer seen on TV and in most videos. The TV guys have huge flaws in their scent control regimen but can get away with it because where they hunt bucks are allowed to pass by humans during season without consequence. That just doesn't happen in pressured areas where most hunters are targeting any legal antlered buck and those that survive their first antlered season have developed a brain to avoid hunters.

Mr Eberhart, instead of jacket and pants, would the coveralls work in place of the two? I imagine it would be the same effect, just wondering your opinion. (Plus boots, gloves, headcover and face mask)

 

[Jimmy Wallhanger]

Mr Eberhart, instead of jacket and pants, would the coveralls work in place of the two? I imagine it would be the same effect, just wondering your opinion. (Plus boots, gloves, headcover and face mask)

I'm interested in this also. I plan on getting the one piece coveralls to go over my scent lok baselayers. I use first lite outerwear.

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[Murph4028]

I'm interested in this also. I plan on getting the one piece coveralls to go over my scent lok baselayers. I use first lite outerwear.

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Yes. The coveralls are essentially just a savanna suit that has been sewn together. The coveralls matched with gloves, facemask, and boots will have the same affect. It's still an activated carbon lined suit.

 

[Jimmy Wallhanger]

Yes. The coveralls are essentially just a savanna suit that has been sewn together. The coveralls matched with gloves, facemask, and boots will have the same affect. It's still an activated carbon lined suit.

I think what in getting at is the more carbonnlaywrs the better right? At what point there diminishing returns?

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[Murph4028]

I think what in getting at is the more carbonnlaywrs the better right? At what point there diminishing returns?

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Obviously I'm not a pro like @John Eberhart but based on the info he has put out and based on my own research the most important thing of all is to ensure that your outer layer is activated carbon with the best combination being an activated carbon/anti microbial base layer that TOUCHES your skin and your outer most layer being activated carbon and any layers in between being washed in scent free detergent. I do not believe that stacking layers and layers of scentlok clothing is necessary because activated carbon is so porous that 1 layer can cover you and absorb human odor for multiple hunts even in the deep South. And of course all this goes along with proper care and storage of all your hunting clothing which John highlights in the beginning of the thread.

 

[Jimmy Wallhanger]

Obviously I'm not a pro like @John Eberhart but based on the info he has put out and based on my own research the most important thing of all is to ensure that your outer layer is activated carbon with the best combination being an activated carbon/anti microbial base layer that TOUCHES your skin and your outer most layer being activated carbon and any layers in between being washed in scent free detergent. I do not believe that stacking layers and layers of scentlok clothing is necessary because activated carbon is so porous that 1 layer can cover you and absorb human odor for multiple hunts even in the deep South. And of course all this goes along with proper care and storage of all your hunting clothing which John highlights in the beginning of the thread.

My outerlayer will never be scentlok as I only use first lite gear. The have odour reducing properties also. I will get the coverall for just under my outer layer and keep all my gear cleaned and stored properly.

Anyone know where I can get a air tight container?

 

[hairy chinch bug]

Anyone know where I can get a air tight container?

I purchased some "ziploc" brand from WM online which have a reasonable foam gasket. They do not (as I recall) claim to be vapor tight, but they work outstandingly well. I ozone treated cloths and could smell it in the totes for weeks, even when opening to retrieve heavier layers as the season got colder.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Ziploc-6...r-4-Pack/45630858?variantFieldId=actual_color

I did wash them out thoroughly inside and out with soap, then baking soda, and a third time with the unscented soap again to get the manufactured smell off. I did get much closer to deer this year (8 yds while on the ground to a nice doe) than previous years.

Later I will need to reread John post's, digest it, chew on it some more and see where some of my failure points could be improved. I feel like a kindergartner in a class taught by a tenured professor who works for NASA on the side as a hobby!

 

[Jesse Carter]

I wished it were that easy, but that simply doesn't work to the same degree as having a properly cared for, stored and used exterior ScentLok suit which consists of a jacket, pants, head cover WITH drop down facemask and gloves. And of course old (used a while to rid of odors) odorless rubber or neoprene boots and a scent free pack. Anything short of that is asking to get winded if hunting in a pressured area where mature bucks rarely more during daylight and are much more in tune with their survival instincts than the rather stupid deer seen on TV and in most videos. The TV guys have huge flaws in their scent control regimen but can get away with it because where they hunt bucks are allowed to pass by humans during season without consequence. That just doesn't happen in pressured areas where most hunters are targeting any legal antlered buck and those that survive their first antlered season have developed a brain to avoid hunters.

Hi John, I understand this is an older post so apologies for jumping in late. Before my question I want to say I have every one of your books and have been following your hunting regimen to a T (since 2014) with great success. I 100% believe in the scentlok system and feel confident every time I step into the woods. Getting to my question, I was lazy on my last hunt of the season, I was worn out, it was late in the evening and I forgot to properly store my entire suit and pack. It’s been in the basement laying next to my saddle on a shelf. Will having it out of the scentote for a long period of time like that completely ruin the suit? Am I looking at buying a new one entirely, or will I be okay just reactivating in the high heat?
I understand you have covered this topic exstensivly so I hope you do not think this is a stupid question. To add to the details, it was my second season with the suit.
Thanks for any help provided!