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Kayak

I spend ALOT of time in kayaks as i fish all over S La in em and have been for many years...heres my input:

sit in kayaks, especially anything shorter than 12' is going to be your least stable option and are mostly for just recreation paddling IMO. What you want to do and the water you end up in will dictate the kayak you need. As a general rule, the best option for all around will be a 14' sit on top. The 14' kayaks will trek better than the 12' and below and be alot more stable. Pirogues are stable\safe enough and have been used here forever but i personally would stick with a sit on kayak. The absolute best IMO is the Nucanoe frontier which is a hybrid kayak and has a 600lb weight capacity. I have the 12' model. I can seriously do jumping jacks in this thing but they are pricey.

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safety considerations for the poster of the thread:

PFD 100%. lights for the dark 100%, boaters can be very inconsiderate\careless. leashes on anything you dont want to sink and always be aware of your movements\limitations so you dont flip
Well Said. I think I could put 2 deer on mine and paddle home w/o a problem. I feel way safer in my 12' Nu Canoe than I ever did in a 14' canoe. I've had well over 200# of carp in mine multiple times. I think it all starts w/the money you invest in the yak to begin with. A cheap Sit In is a lot of fun, just don't take your high dollar bow with you and you'll be ok.
 
Well Said. I think I could put 2 deer on mine and paddle home w/o a problem. I feel way safer in my 12' Nu Canoe than I ever did in a 14' canoe. I've had well over 200# of carp in mine multiple times. I think it all starts w/the money you invest in the yak to begin with. A cheap Sit In is a lot of fun, just don't take your high dollar bow with you and you'll be ok.
yeah love my nucanoe, its an exception to that 14' rule as they trek alot better than other 12' models i have paddled and even some 14' ones. The other kayak i absolutely love just for reference is the jackson cuda 14'. super stable and cuts through the water with ease, but the open deck on the nucanoes cant be competed with if you're using it for dual purpose like hunting.
 
I know we've been talking about paddling but... Put a trolling motor on them when you want a working yak. With a decent battery, you can make a 4 mile round trip on one battery. I've trapped lakes for beaver and the last spots were two miles back and no way would I of paddled that every day for 5 days
another win for the nucanoe...already has a flat transom on back for a trolling motor or small outboard.
 
what would be the difference(s) between a sit-in vs. sit-on kayak vs. say a pirogue in terms of safety or needed experience?
Hunting season is not the time to start with any of them, but would think the sit on top kayak is likely the "easiest". That said for most of them (unless you go up in price point s bunch) you WILL get wet and they aren't that easy to turn. Particularly the cheap ones. I have very little pirogue experience but a bunch of sit in and sit on kayak experience so can speak to the two of them somewhat. Sit ons are designed for primary stability, so don't have a lot of lean to them but are generally wider and more difficult to turn. Also generally are "unsinkable" as you're sitting on a large enclosed rotomolded plastic tub (assuming it doesn't get a hole) Sit ins are generally designed to have better secondary stability, you're lower down to the water (sitting in it, not on it) and easier to turn/control but feel a bit more "tippy" to the novice paddler. They are designed to be used with a skirt and if you don't, you can swamp them and sink. Each has their benefits and my description is very reductive. Thr vast majority of big box/"beginner" or cheap kayaks these days are rotomolded sit on tops. in my opinion most aren't really good at anything, your butt gets wet and they aren't great to paddle. Going up to a sit on top that has a chair and a rudder (like my Hobie outback for example) is significantly more $$ but definitely improves the experience dramatically. Would also make the gear hauling/potential deer hauling more possible, sit ins aren't really designed for bulky gear, you can slide dry bags down inside them but not most hunting gear.
 
Hunting season is not the time to start with any of them, but would think the sit on top kayak is likely the "easiest". That said for most of them (unless you go up in price point s bunch) you WILL get wet and they aren't that easy to turn. Particularly the cheap ones. I have very little pirogue experience but a bunch of sit in and sit on kayak experience so can speak to the two of them somewhat. Sit ons are designed for primary stability, so don't have a lot of lean to them but are generally wider and more difficult to turn. Also generally are "unsinkable" as you're sitting on a large enclosed rotomolded plastic tub (assuming it doesn't get a hole) Sit ins are generally designed to have better secondary stability, you're lower down to the water (sitting in it, not on it) and easier to turn/control but feel a bit more "tippy" to the novice paddler. They are designed to be used with a skirt and if you don't, you can swamp them and sink. Each has their benefits and my description is very reductive. Thr vast majority of big box/"beginner" or cheap kayaks these days are rotomolded sit on tops. in my opinion most aren't really good at anything, your butt gets wet and they aren't great to paddle. Going up to a sit on top that has a chair and a rudder (like my Hobie outback for example) is significantly more $$ but definitely improves the experience dramatically. Would also make the gear hauling/potential deer hauling more possible, sit ins aren't really designed for bulky gear, you can slide dry bags down inside them but not most hunting gear.
good points,especially the one i forgot....you will 100% get wet no matter the option. maybe not soaking wet, but wet none the less so consider that for colder weather.
 
That's what wading belt and PFDs are for.
Same, I use NRS bibs and a dry top when I'm going out in this kind of weather. Dry top feels like it's trying to strangle me lol but it's worth it in case of an accident. Though since I've discovered deer hunting I don't do nearly as much winter kayak fishing any more.

most, not all, waders are less of an anchor than you would think. Neoprene waders provide some buoyancy for example
They can fill with water and make swimming more difficult though. Best way to know is to put em on and jump in a pool/shallow water in the summer. I tested my bibs/dry top that way, get a small amount of leakage but nothing that would cause hypothermia. (It's like the winter kayaker version of treating a platform/saddle at the base of a tree the first time instead of at height)
 
Recently sold my 13' gheenoe. I wanted something more kayak "style". This is a Beavertail Stealth 2000. Over 100# more capacity than the gheenoe, storage, gun holders, seats, trolling motor mount. They can be filled with water and still float. You can occasionally find one used as I did.

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Question for all you "non-canoe" guys...
How does one person carry some of your kayak-style boats?
Can you portage it overhead like you can with a canoe?
 
Question for all you "non-canoe" guys...
How does one person carry some of your kayak-style boats?
Can you portage it overhead like you can with a canoe?
mine has a skeg wheel, i grab it by the front handle and drag it on the skeg wheel. i dont need to portage it very often, but sometimes i do when duck hunting
 
Question for all you "non-canoe" guys...
How does one person carry some of your kayak-style boats?
Can you portage it overhead like you can with a canoe?
Depends on the weight/balance but yes, sometimes. My Hobie outback is... Heavy. It's like 80+ lbs so I have a two wheeled cart that packs up and stows in the front hatch. Back when I had a car I did pick it up overhead and put it on a roof rack inverted but wouldn't want to carry it around like this too much. My "ocean" sit on tops tandems (kid haulers) have handles on the sides as well as front/back so I can carry them one handed at my side as well as overhead, but to be honest if on grass/dirt I usually drag it by the bow handle. Can't really portege overhead because it's too flat but I have done it short distances balancing on my head (I have a pretty strong neck but likely not reccomended lol). I don't currently own a sit inside, but when I did I could portage like a canoe, used the back half of the shirt lip on my shoulders and held the front half with my hands.
 
I made a small cart w/studs to poke up through the scupper holes in the rear of my NuCanoe. Just stick them up into the scuppers and go, but I usually don't haul it w/me so if I need to portage some I just drag it unless it's rocky terrain.
 
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