Kick out?

[Tembo]

I’m guessing problem #1 with sticks is kick out? Would not a 6’ pcs of 6mm cord secured to the bottom step around the tree and to the other side put an end to that? Maybe 10 seconds per stick and only doing the upper 2/3?

 

[kyler1945]

I’ve never had a stick kick out.


My number one problem with sticks is carrying them around, and packing and unpacking them at the base of the tree.

My guess is the only way to get a lower cordage tight enough to make any appreciable difference in odds of Kickout, you’d have to implement a truckers hitch.

You’re now tying multiple pieces of gear to the tree with multiple means of connection. Seems like a lot.

 

[neonomad]

Don’t see a way this could hurt, more work to do but yes would probably work and cord could be smaller than that.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Number one concern I have is stand off bending. If you secure the stick and seat it properly on the right diameter tree, kick outs won’t happen. Bent stand offs…. That’s another story entirely

 

[WISCO]

Just after one season of carrying sticks in, taking them

I’ve never had a stick kick out.


My number one problem with sticks is carrying them around, and packing and unpacking them at the base of the tree.

My guess is the only way to get a lower cordage tight enough to make any appreciable difference in odds of Kickout, you’d have to implement a truckers hitch.

You’re now tying multiple pieces of gear to the tree with multiple means of connection. Seems like a lot.

I haven't had an issue with my sticks kicking out either. Novix double minis with standard buckle straps. Just after one season of using sticks I'm getting sick of them. Packing them in, taking them off the pack, hooking them to my saddle, climbing and then doing it in reverse after the hunt. I can see why others have gone to one sticking or 2TC. Though I'm sure those have their own nuisances.

 

[Robert loper]

I’ve never had a stick kick out.


My number one problem with sticks is carrying them around, and packing and unpacking them at the base of the tree.

My guess is the only way to get a lower cordage tight enough to make any appreciable difference in odds of Kickout, you’d have to implement a truckers hitch.

You’re now tying multiple pieces of gear to the tree with multiple means of connection. Seems like a lot.

agree 100% the only other way i will attach any stick to a tree besides the cam strap is a truckers hitch with daisy chains
i also am one that has 1 problem with sticks finding that perfect packing up or strap to bag type of transportation.

 

[Tembo]

This is my first year using them and don’t find them to be much more of a hassle than a climber, but I do need to analyze every motion and get a better,easier system of handling them. I’ve got to get a more foolproof easy method of attaching to my belt and I’ve got to find a quicker way of dealing with the ropes before I stack them to carry. I attach the stack to my pack with 2 24” nite ez gear ties , easy and quick, quiet too so that’s off the list. I don’t know how this system got marketed as being light, my 4 helium sticks and platform weigh over 18 lbs.

 

[bigmike23]

Only stick that nearly kicked out on me was the one sticks. Beast sticks truckerd hitched are impossible to kick out. Catastrophic amsteel or versa button failure would need to occur

 

[Fgirtyman]

I’m guessing problem #1 with sticks is kick out? Would not a 6’ pcs of 6mm cord secured to the bottom step around the tree and to the other side put an end to that? Maybe 10 seconds per stick and only doing the upper 2/3?

On my 1 stick and climbing sticks a have a lower versa button installed. If it’s a wet tree I will wrap an 1/8 amsteel around it for backup in case a kick out.
Works especially well for my 1 stick.

 

[Tim0712]

The only time I ever tie off the bottom of the stick is on my one stick if the tree is giving me a weird angle or the stick isn’t biting well enough

 

[Fgirtyman]

The only time I ever tie off the bottom of the stick is on my one stick if the tree is giving me a weird angle or the stick isn’t biting well enough

Same here. Gives me a little more confidence if I have to do some contortions for a off kilter shot.

 

[Tim0712]

Same here. Gives me a little more confidence if I have to do some contortions for a off kilter shot.

I started running an ros in conjunction this year and find myself doing it less though

 

[Fgirtyman]

I started running an ros in conjunction this year and find myself doing it less though

I don’t use it very often but being mobile and sitting up to 50+sits a year you run into some different trees. I’ve never bent a standoff because of it. I check my equipment often.

 

[Exhumis]

The only time I ever had a stick kick out is when I used a long aider on them (three step) and it was a longer stick, like a hawk full length. It’s my belief the aider acted like a pendulum and the bottom stand off a fulcrum, so if any side pressure was applied the bottom stand off would come off the tree. Didn’t matter how hard I set the stick.
with my current EWO one stick I haven’t had that issue as it’s shorter with less distance between the stand offs.

 

[Fgirtyman]

The only time I ever had a stick kick out is when I used a long aider on them (three step) and it was a longer stick, like a hawk full length. It’s my belief the aider acted like a pendulum and the bottom stand off a fulcrum, so if any side pressure was applied the bottom stand off would come off the tree. Didn’t matter how hard I set the stick.
with my current EWO one stick I haven’t had that issue as it’s shorter with less distance between the stand offs.

I can see with the aider issue you mentioned. 90 % of the time I 1 stick with my DIY stick (18”) with a larger platform. I only kicked out once on a large wet birch and it got my attention. Wet trees and 1 sticking as most know can be tricky. In those instances I will double up on the lower standoff. Works for me
anyway.

 

[Rg176bnc]

Well over 1k trees climbed with LW's. Mostly with the buckles, daisy chains the last 3 years.

Never once a kick out not even close. If your having issues with this stick kicking out its you.

I don't really care for the douche bags that formally owned the company but the sticks are solid.

I'll admit I don't trust most new products if its something Im using off the ground. If I see more than a couple complaints or 1 product failure I can tell you I'll never buy whatever it is if its backed up with pics. Anything Hawk comes to mind right off the bat.