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Lessons Learned - A Safety Perspective

boyne bowhunter

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As we all know @redsquirrel has declared 2019 The Year of Safety. With the rapid growth of this site and large number of new saddle hunters I thought it might be beneficial to start a “lessons learned” thread focusing on safety where we can share some of our close calls, lessons learned and steps we take to stay safe in the tree. Maybe sharing some of our lessons learned stories and best practices we can shorten the learning curve for others. Also it is possible that we may be able bring to light some safety issues that may have occurred using a method similar to what any of us may currently using but we have been just lucky to have avoided thus far.

Personally I can think of a few anecdotes and steps that I take specifically to address them. I’ll start with this one that happened to me a couple of years ago.

After 20 years of hunting exclusively out of climbers I hadn’t used any other climbing method in many years. I had practiced some SRT climbing in the back yard but it didn’t work well for me in real hunt practice other than some presets I had set up. Well, midseason I decided to try one sticking to get away from the need for presets. The only climbing stick I had available was the bottom section from a set of interlocking sticks that I had used in my pre-climber days. This 30 year old section had two v brackets welded integral to it as well as welded cleats and the original ropes attached. To repurpose this stick I attached a cam cleat and new rope on the upper half. I practiced climbed a couple of straight trees and it went ok so I decided I was ready. I was using a 40ft tether and attaching with a GriGri2 with the intention of rappelling down after the hunt.

The day I decided to use this on an actual hunt I was remote camping and hunting by myself. I planned to set up in a clump of maples in a small opening on top of a ridge in large thicket of young beech about ¾ of a mile from camp. The issues started immediately as all of the trees leaned pretty hard and I hadn’t climbed any leaners in my practice session. I struggled through the first two moves of the stick using both my tether and lineman’s belt. At the top of the stick after second move the welded V bracket broke off the bottom of the stick due to the high side loads resulting from the leaning tree. The area surrounding the weld had corroded enough that the material around the weld just pulled away. Luckily it broke right after I had reset my tether and it was taut so it didn’t even throw me off the stick.

Not wanting to scrap the hunt I made the decision to move the stick one more time without the bottom bracket. I attached it with the cam cleat rope and as an added support I tied the OEM upper tie off rope around the tree and back to the existing cleat. This double attachment held the stick stable enough that I was able to climb up to the top of it again. Now about 15 feet in the air and patting myself on the back for my ingenuity I attached my platform to the tree. Because of the precarious stick I was attached to the tree with both my lineman’s belt and tether but I hadn’t yet advanced the tether so it was slack at my waist level. As I stepped over to the platform the 30 year old rope securing the top of the stick broke and the stick spun off the tree. I dropped the three feet until my tether came taut coming to rest with my chin at platform level, banging my elbow on it on the way by. After I collected myself, I looked down and realized if I hadn’t been tied in I would be wedged in the crotch where the five maple trunks separated about 3 feet off the ground. I was able to kick off the tree and loosen my now taut lineman’s belt enough to unhook it. I disconnected the platform and dropped it the ground, attached my pull down rope and rappelled after it.

Luckily, I ended up with nothing more than a minor laceration to my elbow and a wound to my pride.

A few of the things I did wrong and the actions I take to counteract them are summarized below.

First, not wanting to lose a hunt opportunity, I foolishly continued on even after I had a serious equipment failure that could jeopardize my safety. We need to realize that no hunt is worth that.

Also, rather than buy something fit for purpose I used non climb rated equipment in a critical application for something it was never intended to be used for. On top of that it was old and uninspected and I knowingly used it with the worn ropes on it even though I didn’t intend to use them during the climb. I now use only climb rated equipment designed for purpose for any critical application and I inspect my gear every time I use it.

I was hunting an area that no one would have ever looked for me in. Had I fallen into the crotch of those trees it is likely I would have been wedged in there and would not have been found until much later in the year by a random rifle hunter if at all. While I still hunt alone (my buddies just don’t have as much time to hunt as I do) I now leave a note in the camper each time out giving a description of the area I’m heading. At least they’ll know the general area to look if I come up missing. In this case they wouldn’t have even known which direction I walked out of camp.

I didn’t thoroughly vet out my climbing method before heading into the woods to use it. I now spend a great deal of time in the off season working on climbing methods in differing conditions before I use it in a hunting situation. In my opinion this is the most often over looked issue with people switching to hunting from a saddle from a climber. Everyone worries if they are going to be able to be comfortable and able to shoot from the saddle. So much so they overlook the climbing part. Sitting and shooting from a saddle are pretty natural once you get acclimated to it. Also, once set up you are really safe in the saddle. The climbing on the other hand is a different story. There are a multitude of possible methods and it is the point at which you are most at risk. In reality this is the area we should be spending most of our focus on. You need to have a repeatable method that you are very comfortable with in any situation.

Another mistake is that I didn’t advance my tether before stepping onto the platform. If I had I wouldn’t have slipped by the platform and probably could even have completed the hunt. This episode may not even stick in my head had that been the case. I now make sure my tether is tight before I make a move either to or from my platform.

Although there weren’t a lot of things I did right, there were a few.

I was secured to the tree. I had both a lineman’s belt and tether attached and both played a part in stopping my fall. Always stay attached, the unthinkable can happen without notice.

I had a backup to get down. I didn’t need the climbing stick to descend. I was able to rappel from the tree. I always make sure I have backups for these critical type systems. I have another story I’ll share later describing that in more detail.

I apologize for the length of this post but I hope it helps some out there just starting out to not make some of the mistakes I made. Hopefully there are others out there willing to add some personal experiences and lessons learned.
 
Good read. Fortunately I haven’t had any close calls. Reading your post makes me think of a few things I do. One I’m always attached to tree. Two, I always make a “float plan”. Before heading out I text an area I’m going. When I get to spot I’m going to hunt I send coordinates. Third thing I learned from golf. A tournament is not the time to practice. If I’m hunting and I get to a situation I’m not comfortable with, safety wise, its not the time to practice and I just don’t do it; I stick to what I’m comfortable doing. When I get back from the hunt, I know what situations I need to practice for the next time.
 
Had a similar experience with my old Loggy Bayou band climber. I actually posted a picture of me set up earlier the day that happened. I was trying out my knee pads and didn't have my platform strapped to the tree. While putting them on kicked my hand climber and to the bottom of the tree it went. I tried to no avail to get it back up with a hook on my pull up rope. But, no reason to panic I SRT a good bit and had my Gri Gri. I simply swapped to my rappel line and slid the rope. It wouldn't have been a really big deal because I was on my lease and could've phoned for help, but I'd have to hear crap from my non saddle hunting companions if they would have had to rescue me. Moral of the story always have a backup for an emergency descent.
 
I had a scare/reality check the other day. I was testing out my new climbing stick I just welded for one stick climbing. I have a Versa button from lone wolf on it and was using a rope mod with it. In doing so as I was on my third climb up the tree wile moving my tether up the tree, I quickly realized I hadn’t done the knot right around the Versa button. the stick fell out from under me. I fell about 6 feet because I was on the top of my stick and had just gotten there so my tether was at about waist high, and I had the extra rope from the bridge and about two feet of rope from the top of my brige to the top of the tether. I can tell you this I was for a couple things.
1 I had purchased a kite and it it rated for that kind of fall with all the components ropes/bridge/saddle.
2 it happend in my back yard where I was practicing on a tree to learn and get comfortable with this so if something had happend it wouldn’t have been hard to find me.
3 it made me get an even more respect for the equipment and making sure I’m safe at all times. Never try to rush up the tree it’s not worth my or anyone else’s life.
4 once I calmed down I was thankful that I had tied paracord to my step Incase I dropped it so I was able to pull my step back up to me.

I made myself climb up and sit in the saddle at 30ft (I was at about 18 when the stick came out from under me). when this happened so I could get my confidence back in my gear but, I have a much higher respect for it now and will not be trying to climb fast and make sure I’m doing everything in order. The only thing that got hurt was my hands from trying to grab the rope as I started to fall I had horrible burns from where the rope was running through my hands and some skin missing. Thankfuly that is all that happend and I’m thankful that it did happen here at the house and not a mile or more in the woods where I have no cell service and no one would have been able to find me if it had been worse!
 
Glad to hear you are ok. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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I fell about 6 feet

I'm glad you're Ok. Any fall will shake you up even if you're not seriously injured.

While putting them on kicked my hand climber and to the bottom of the tree it went. I tried to no avail to get it back up with a hook on my pull up rope.
quickly realized I hadn’t done the knot right around the Versa button. the stick fell out from under me.

Both of these experiences lead into my second anecdote. During late bow season this year I was running a little late and single stick climbing using a short tether, about 7ft long. When the weather is wet I often use a short tether and leave my rappel rope in my pack so it won’t get any wetter than necessary. Nothing worse than a frozen rope. In this case I didn’t want my rappel line to lay in the snow at the bottom of the tree. I had moved the stick twice and when I stepped into the aider the stick just fell off the tree. I still don’t know if in my rush ot get up the tree I didn’t get the line completely in the cam cleat or if I caught the rope under my boot in the aider but for whatever reason it unclamped and fell to the ground. This left me hanging on the end of a 7 foot tether attached with a Ropeman about 15 feet off the ground. I sat there a couple of seconds debating my options which were:
  • Pull up my bow and temporarily hang it off the tree so I could use my pull up line and the grappling hook I carry to fish for the stick.
  • Pull my rappel rope from my pack and hitch it to the tree, attach my Madrock Safeguard rappel device and swap that connection onto my bridge in place of the ropeman on the short tether. Then rappel down the tree.
I ended up doing the second. Once I had the Safeguard on the rope I attached it to my bridge and pulled enough slack through the Safeguard to take the weight off the short tether. I was then able to unhook it and rappel to the ground where I retrieved my stick and continued my climb, now working off the rappel line already girth hitched 15 feet up. This at least saved me a few rope moves on the re-climb.

The point of the story is to always have a backup plan. One of the things I do while hanging in the tree waiting for some unlucky deer to pass by is to consider each part of my system and how I would address a failure if it occurred (based on my success this year I had a lot of time to consider failure modes:neutral:). Having at least considered a plan will help when the stress is high after something goes awry and you need to keep cool and find a good solution.

When I first started one sticking I used a length of paracord attached to the stick in case this happened. What I found was that I was continually getting that tangled in my equipment, feet and arms during my climb. In the interest of simplifying the climb and to keep it repeatable I omitted the paracord knowing I had at least one viable workaround if I did happen to drop the stick.

For the record I also keep a backup rappel device, a lightweight ATC sport and a prussic in my pack in case I drop my Safeguard while attaching it. Also, as @MFD205 stated, I had my cell phone but it would be a last resort due to the lifelong ribbing I would take about having to be rescued from my non-saddlehunting buddies.
 
Glad y’all are OK.
I’ve been hunting from trees for about 10 years and this has been my safest year thanks to the saddle!

My scariest incident was back in college. A buddy and I just had gained access to 30 acres in the local river bottom and we’re rushing to hang a stand before a thunderstorm rolled in.
I pieced up the 20’ sticks and was climbing back up to hang the stand when I stepped off the stick onto a limb to balance myself at 20’ up. Of course I had no lineman’s belt or any safety gear. With the stand in both hands the branch broke and I fell. Thankfully I was able to grab another branch with 1 hand on the way down and it swung me into the tree and sticks. I thankfully only cut my shin down to the bone and wasn’t permanently injured.

Looking back I’m amazed I was lucky enough to grab on to that branch. I should have been seriously injured. I started using a harness after that but I’ve honestly never felt safer than when saddle hunting.
 
Stories like this is why i hadn't really considered methods like 1-sticking previously, but almost immediately did once i had put together an srt setup. having a plan for potential failures is critical, and SRT is an ideal backup plan that can really reduce risks and complexity.
 
As we all know @redsquirrel has declared 2019 The Year of Safety. With the rapid growth of this site and large number of new saddle hunters I thought it might be beneficial to start a “lessons learned” thread focusing on safety where we can share some of our close calls, lessons learned and steps we take to stay safe in the tree. Maybe sharing some of our lessons learned stories and best practices we can shorten the learning curve for others. Also it is possible that we may be able bring to light some safety issues that may have occurred using a method similar to what any of us may currently using but we have been just lucky to have avoided thus far.

Personally I can think of a few anecdotes and steps that I take specifically to address them. I’ll start with this one that happened to me a couple of years ago.

After 20 years of hunting exclusively out of climbers I hadn’t used any other climbing method in many years. I had practiced some SRT climbing in the back yard but it didn’t work well for me in real hunt practice other than some presets I had set up. Well, midseason I decided to try one sticking to get away from the need for presets. The only climbing stick I had available was the bottom section from a set of interlocking sticks that I had used in my pre-climber days. This 30 year old section had two v brackets welded integral to it as well as welded cleats and the original ropes attached. To repurpose this stick I attached a cam cleat and new rope on the upper half. I practiced climbed a couple of straight trees and it went ok so I decided I was ready. I was using a 40ft tether and attaching with a GriGri2 with the intention of rappelling down after the hunt.

The day I decided to use this on an actual hunt I was remote camping and hunting by myself. I planned to set up in a clump of maples in a small opening on top of a ridge in large thicket of young beech about ¾ of a mile from camp. The issues started immediately as all of the trees leaned pretty hard and I hadn’t climbed any leaners in my practice session. I struggled through the first two moves of the stick using both my tether and lineman’s belt. At the top of the stick after second move the welded V bracket broke off the bottom of the stick due to the high side loads resulting from the leaning tree. The area surrounding the weld had corroded enough that the material around the weld just pulled away. Luckily it broke right after I had reset my tether and it was taut so it didn’t even throw me off the stick.

Not wanting to scrap the hunt I made the decision to move the stick one more time without the bottom bracket. I attached it with the cam cleat rope and as an added support I tied the OEM upper tie off rope around the tree and back to the existing cleat. This double attachment held the stick stable enough that I was able to climb up to the top of it again. Now about 15 feet in the air and patting myself on the back for my ingenuity I attached my platform to the tree. Because of the precarious stick I was attached to the tree with both my lineman’s belt and tether but I hadn’t yet advanced the tether so it was slack at my waist level. As I stepped over to the platform the 30 year old rope securing the top of the stick broke and the stick spun off the tree. I dropped the three feet until my tether came taut coming to rest with my chin at platform level, banging my elbow on it on the way by. After I collected myself, I looked down and realized if I hadn’t been tied in I would be wedged in the crotch where the five maple trunks separated about 3 feet off the ground. I was able to kick off the tree and loosen my now taut lineman’s belt enough to unhook it. I disconnected the platform and dropped it the ground, attached my pull down rope and rappelled after it.

Luckily, I ended up with nothing more than a minor laceration to my elbow and a wound to my pride.

A few of the things I did wrong and the actions I take to counteract them are summarized below.

First, not wanting to lose a hunt opportunity, I foolishly continued on even after I had a serious equipment failure that could jeopardize my safety. We need to realize that no hunt is worth that.

Also, rather than buy something fit for purpose I used non climb rated equipment in a critical application for something it was never intended to be used for. On top of that it was old and uninspected and I knowingly used it with the worn ropes on it even though I didn’t intend to use them during the climb. I now use only climb rated equipment designed for purpose for any critical application and I inspect my gear every time I use it.

I was hunting an area that no one would have ever looked for me in. Had I fallen into the crotch of those trees it is likely I would have been wedged in there and would not have been found until much later in the year by a random rifle hunter if at all. While I still hunt alone (my buddies just don’t have as much time to hunt as I do) I now leave a note in the camper each time out giving a description of the area I’m heading. At least they’ll know the general area to look if I come up missing. In this case they wouldn’t have even known which direction I walked out of camp.

I didn’t thoroughly vet out my climbing method before heading into the woods to use it. I now spend a great deal of time in the off season working on climbing methods in differing conditions before I use it in a hunting situation. In my opinion this is the most often over looked issue with people switching to hunting from a saddle from a climber. Everyone worries if they are going to be able to be comfortable and able to shoot from the saddle. So much so they overlook the climbing part. Sitting and shooting from a saddle are pretty natural once you get acclimated to it. Also, once set up you are really safe in the saddle. The climbing on the other hand is a different story. There are a multitude of possible methods and it is the point at which you are most at risk. In reality this is the area we should be spending most of our focus on. You need to have a repeatable method that you are very comfortable with in any situation.

Another mistake is that I didn’t advance my tether before stepping onto the platform. If I had I wouldn’t have slipped by the platform and probably could even have completed the hunt. This episode may not even stick in my head had that been the case. I now make sure my tether is tight before I make a move either to or from my platform.

Although there weren’t a lot of things I did right, there were a few.

I was secured to the tree. I had both a lineman’s belt and tether attached and both played a part in stopping my fall. Always stay attached, the unthinkable can happen without notice.

I had a backup to get down. I didn’t need the climbing stick to descend. I was able to rappel from the tree. I always make sure I have backups for these critical type systems. I have another story I’ll share later describing that in more detail.

I apologize for the length of this post but I hope it helps some out there just starting out to not make some of the mistakes I made. Hopefully there are others out there willing to add some personal experiences and lessons learned.
Great story and observations!
 
Since I am new to all of this I appreciate folks sharing their experiences. Most things I have run into so far are just frustrating things from not being familiar with a piece of equipment or techniques. After doing some reading or watching videos I often stumble into something that seems like the ticket I have been looking for only to discover there is more than meets the eye.

After seeing G2 use the 5 step aider on a WE stepps I thought man that looks easy enough let’s give it a go. I have never used anything like the aider and didn’t have any appreciation for the nuances of the system. The day I got it I took it out to give it a go, set my step, put my linesman’s belt loosely around the tree and began my assault. I hadn’t given any thought to what role the belt played and was focused on getting my feet into the aider. Made it up 4 steps and thought I would climb down to get the feel of getting my feet where they need to be. The next thing I know I am in the middle of a suspended cartwheel with my belt twisting and thankfully stopping me with my head just above the ground.

Before I started my climb I was half tempted to skip the belt as I didn’t know what I didn’t know. In the end glad I did. Once I got myself together made myself climb again, just a couple steps up and down several times refusing to let it get the best of me. Posted my experience and it was explained how the belt works in this technique and the importance tree size makes in stabilizing.

LESSONS
1. We use safety equipment for a reason. We train as we fight in the military and ignoring the basics because “we are just practicing” is a recipe for disaster. A climb is a climb no matter where or how high. Glad I ignored the thought I didn’t need the belt definitely reinforced the reasons we use them.

2. Things look simple when you are watching someone who has a lot of experience. There are a bunch of good folks on here with that experience, ask questions. If I am not annoying the old pros then I am not asking enough questions. What is basic to them is freaking magic to me.

3. Things happen so be prepared. This happened near ground level, what if I had been 20’ up? What are the indicators or conditions I should be aware of, how do you self recover? A great deal of experience, at low levels and with different trees will help me there. If you don’t feel you are ready don’t do it.

4. Don’t quit. Maybe this method is for me, maybe not, only one way to find out. Practice it slowly and safely.

Thanks for sharing your experience and experiences!




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Ok so what safety,backup descending gear would people suggest? I am only using we stepps and linemans belt. Rope man on my tether . So not much gear to descend with if something goes bad.
 
Ok so what safety,backup descending gear would people suggest? I am only using we stepps and linemans belt. Rope man on my tether . So not much gear to descend with if something goes bad.
That would be personal preference, but you NEED to be trained in what ever decide you go with. Sliding a rope is fun, but using as a means to descend when something bad just happened is a recipe for disaster if you're not competent with your gear. If you're around McComb I can help you.
 
Ok so what safety,backup descending gear would people suggest? I am only using we stepps and linemans belt. Rope man on my tether . So not much gear to descend with if something goes bad.
Good question. As @MFD205 pointed out this is probably very related to personal preference and how much risk you're willing to take and what your priorties are for hunting from a saddle.

A lot of guys are very weight conscious and this dictates what they add to their pack. I'm not saying its a bad thing, its their choice based on their reasons for hunting from a saddle. I'm not necessarily as weight conscious but more bulk conscious. Personally I'm OK carrying a little more weight as long as I can pack it up relatively small and carry it quietly thru the woods.

I also like the rappelling aspect at the the end of the hunt so I've always got a 40' length of rope (even with WE stepps as my climbing method) and a couple of different descenders, a Madrock Safeguard and a backup ATC sport and a prussik loop. The ATC and prussic weigh nothing and take up very little space so there's not really a downside to having the backup in case I drop my Safeguard. I also carry a spare 7ft length of tether with a Ropeman and biner attached. This gives me the ability to transfer my weight off my rappel line if necessary for any reason. Because I tend to hunt pairs of trees the other advantage the extra length of tether gives me is that if I need to, I can climb the tree that's easier to climb and switch to the other tree for optimum positioning once at height. Typically my safety gear can serve a double duty somewhere else. In addition to all this I also carry a small weighted treble hook that I can attach to my pull up rope and use as a grapple in case I drop something from height. Last but certainly not least I always have my cell phone although service is shaky in a lot the areas I hunt. In all I'm carrying between 3 and 4 pounds of extra gear but its a trade off I personally am willing to make.

In your case, using WE Stepps, I would think your need would focus around the ability to skip a step coming down if necessary. If for some reason a stepp slipped or spun off the tree . . . I know its unlikely but the unlikely is what we're preparing for . . . the next stepp could be a long ways down depending on how you're climbing on the WE stepps. For instance the Cain method spaces the stepps about 3.5ft, the Aider/Knaider method can get about 5ft spacing and the G2 step aider concept gets almost 7ft between stepps. I would focus on a potential means to bridge what ever gap you may need to get to the next stepp. Hope this helps.
 
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As I said in the original post I have a few stories which give the reason behind some of the precautions I take to stay safe in the tree, here is one more. This last summer I practicing the Cain method using my WE stepps one evening. I had gone up and down several times and had been rappelling down each time, stopping at each stepp to remove it as I generally do when I climb with the WE stepps. Because of this I had been hanging from Madrock Safeguard on my 40’ tether rope.

On my last climb for the evening I decided to try climbing down one step at a time rather than rappel (i.e. practice my backup exit strategy). Being unfamiliar with the climb down method I wasn’t sure where I should attach my tether after removing the topmost step and exactly how long it should be to climb down. Because of this I was gripping the tether in my right hand above the Safeguard as I backed down the tree. I inadvertently let my hand slide down to the top of the Safeguard and used it as a hand hold. Well, when you pull on the top of this type of device (be it a GriGri, Safeguard or Lifeguard) it reduces the tension of the rope from the bottom and releases the cam, which is clamping the rope (and keeping you in the tree). Suddenly I found myself leaning backwards and sliding freely down the rope. Luckily I had the presence of mind to let go and the Safeguard re-cammed and locked up. Nevertheless, the 6 inches to a foot of freefall still gave me quite a scare. I think someone here has referred to it as two seconds of terror.

My lesson learned from this is to always tie a slip knot under the ascender and run it through a carabiner to provide a stopper anytime I’m hanging from the Safeguard where I could inadvertently grab the top of the acsender. The knot will stop the rope's progress before it can move more than an inch or so. It would be easy in the heat of the moment to inadvertently grab hold of the ascender as a hand hold and it could result in a dangerous unintended release of the cam.
 
Well, you guys have certainly been through some tough stuff. I just got my sitdrag yesterday and have began modifying it via G2 video suggestions. Since there is no place to purchase Amsteel rope around northern Utah, I just did order some of that in 1/4 in. diam to make my bridge once I receive it in the mail. Since this is all so new to me, I'm learning as I go and with you guys introducing acronyms, I'm doing some websearching to find out what you are talking about. I have a LOT to learn! This safety stuff is very important to me, as I'm afraid of heights as well and have never been one to even consider a tree stand for hunting. However, seeing this saddle hunting stuff has my confidence level very high. Out here in Utah, tree stand hunting isn't something most hunters do, but I think saddle hunting will catch on. On another note, you guys with those huge straight, almost barkless trees have a real advantage over us with limb layden pine trees some of which are 5 feet in diameter. Just saying.
 
I've been climbing in trees as long as I can remember and never used a safety harness, I'm almost 66 years old. Three years ago I was setting up a 20' stick. I got to the top stick and threw the strap around the tree and caught it on the other side, it fell apart in my hand! I started falling backwards and grabbed for the top of the ladder but it wasn't strapped, it popped and I went over backwards and down 20 feet. I think I did a somersault because of the way I landed. I heard a crack in my body but I was able to get out of the woods (luckily). I was where no one would have found me for a long time because I crossed a river and no one knew where I was. I lost a year of hunting! I now have harnesses but still feel uncomfortable because they don't keep you from falling they just keep you from hitting the ground. Now I look at the stands and what can happen and it makes me nervous. Then last year I found the saddle! The saddle is just the ticket, it keeps you from falling! I think my favorite climbing method is the Lone Wolf hand climber. It's a climbing method and platform in one, it's under five pounds, plus I'm always tethered into the tree using this method. I just got the Lone wolf and have only climbed a few times with it so I don't have all the answers yet, like climbing around limbs but I have this spring and summer to practice.
The saddle is by far the best thing that has come along that makes me feel safe.
Bob
 
Stopper knots. Use a stopper knot.

Stay focused. Bad things happen when you are tired, stressed, cold, wet, etc.

My close call was the second Saturday of archery this past season, my first using a saddle. It's pouring rain and pretty dang chilly for early October. I was trying to climb this gigantic oak that my 8 foot ropes could barely fit around. I get to the top, my platform is all off kilter and I had to reset it a few times.

Finally get set up and tethered in, start pulling my bow up. It's not budging. Stuck on brush. I climb down and repeat the process. Again, climb, tether in, and now the rope is snagged on one of my climbing sticks. Now I am getting pissed off, sweaty, and stressed because it is already light out.

Climbing down I was staying on my tether until I cleared a branch to hook in my lineman's. Well, in my rush I didn't realize my stopper knot had come undone and I yanked my ropeman 2 right off the end of my tether. Luckily I didn't have it weighted at all and was able to get hooked back up. You gotta take your time and keep your wits about you anytime your feet leave the earth.
 
Had a Kaider hook fall off a WE step in the dark last year at about 20 some feet up.

Best I can figure, it wasn't hooked on but only resting tip of the hook on the bar of the step.

Banged my knee cap pretty good and slipped a foot or two until the lineman's belt caught.

Had to reposition the step while hanging from the lineman under tension because the next step down was still a few feet from my bottom foot.

Did I mention it was dark?

Woke me up a little bit...
 
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