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Sanbatin90

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Hey guys do you think going into a bedding area tomorrow to possibly prep a tree would hurt my chances or should I just wing it come season...it is a 6 year cut which I think is great bedding but has alot of night time and daylight activity come season..there is a spot I want to get into but I don't want to wait till season to go in there and find out I can't get in a tree where I want. I've been very good this year about staying out of the woods and not checking cams till just before season, I just can't stop thinking about this one spot..and the other issue is getting into the area of there is a fair amount of night time activity. My plan was to wake up early and walk up there and pick a tree and possibly put a cam out..my season starts Sept 15 and I want to regret going in there
 
My advice, others will chime in, I wouldn’t. You’re basically moving the furniture around in their living room. I’d go in the afternoon so you can go slowly and quietly and see what you’re doing. That way you can pick the right tree. If you have to cut a limb you can do it efficiency and pick the right one.
 
It’s torture, I feel your pain, I have zero patience and OCD about everything and like my trees picked and ready to go, but my advice, after 30 years of chasing the elusive whitetail, don’t do it, if you know your gonna hunt that spot regardless because you already scouted it and have your spot narrowed down to a couple hundred yards or less, I would stay out. When my curiositiy gets the best of me and I feel the need to scout now and burn some shoe leather I go to completely new spots, so I have nothing to lose, my main areas are hopefully resting in peace right now, I will say I rifle hunt so that makes it easier than you bow guys for picking my trees but my opinion is guys lay too much scent down just before season.
 
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I also think it is pretty late to go in there. Maybe if you cant help it go before or during a heavy rain do your scent wont linger?
 
Don't do it! I don't touch the woods from July 20th until opening day.- September round these parts.

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When does your season open? If it’s October first, I’d say go in and get the intel you need and stay away... ive found myself lurking in areas and stumbling around only to realize I’ve most likely already screwed myself. I like to be prepared. I feel like if you go in and softly bump something, they’ll more than likely return by October first, if not sooner as long as they aren’t disturbed much. I had a buck last year that I kicked out of his creek bottom bed one afternoon and by the next morning he was back! Unfortunately for me.... I screwed up and he ran off yet again. I can say, I didn’t see him a third time and rightfully so, but obviously the first time didn’t bother him to much!
 
When does your season open? If it’s October first, I’d say go in and get the intel you need and stay away... ive found myself lurking in areas and stumbling around only to realize I’ve most likely already screwed myself. I like to be prepared. I feel like if you go in and softly bump something, they’ll more than likely return by October first, if not sooner as long as they aren’t disturbed much. I had a buck last year that I kicked out of his creek bottom bed one afternoon and by the next morning he was back! Unfortunately for me.... I screwed up and he ran off yet again. I can say, I didn’t see him a third time and rightfully so, but obviously the first time didn’t bother him to much!
It's September 15th
 
If you know he's bedded there, let him be. Early season is for feeling things out and for identifying fall patterns. Figure out the other pieces of the puzzle. How does he move in and out of that area, where is he going to feed, where are the does now, and where will they be when the season starts. I set up loose to areas I know that are holding bucks early. I'll try to get into a set that I'll have a chance of him getting close to me but that I am not encroaching on his "safe zone". It's an observation stand, but placed where I can test my theories and observations, to increase my odds of crossing paths without having to push to early. As the season progresses I'll turn up the heat. That's where the saddle really works for me. I'll start to tighten the noose, moving into those safe zone fringes. It's why I base all my gear selection and techniques on quietness. I'm not on private land so I always take into account the other pressure, and you can't control where some other people walk or set up. If you have to push in early because of pressure, think hard about how and where you go in and get out. IMO the is wind is the most important consideration to your set up, then position and scent control(ground). I'd rather shoot him early( and hog fat) without a bunch of pressure just before dark moving down the trail headed towards his favorite oak flat, than after he's been running for a while. One of the first things I learned about the ground I hunt is where do the deer go when they can't be where they want to be, and what routes do they take to get there. It's a staple when your hunting on pressured land. My intimate knowledge of the woods (29 years) and the deer that run the hill are what gives me the edge over most who come here to hunt.
 
A lot of things factor into this decision. The state of Maine where I hunt is the most heavily forested state in the country and if you spook a buck too bad in his bedroom he has dozens of options to bed elsewhere and probably will. I'm onto a very nice buck in one of my hunting areas and I am pretty sure where he is bedding right now. I went in about a month ago and prepped a tree about 150 or so yards from his bedroom. That tree is 30 yards from a white oak loaded with acorns. These are the closest available acorns to his bedding and I don't want to get any closer to him and risk spooking him. Those acorns should start dropping soon and our season opens on Sept. 12th.This oak is surrounded by a couple of hundred yards of woods in any direction and I've seen bucks come to it 2 hours before dark in the past where it is in thick cover. I think you would be pushing your luck if you get that close at this time of year. May be different in your area if thick bedding is limited.
 
I disagree with most here and would strongly encourage you to prep the tree, mark it on your GPS so you can find the tree easily find it when it comes time to hunt it. What I do in a situation like that is I make a lot of noise as I head into the area. You can talk out loud, step on sticks and break sticks, heck you could carry a small radio with you but make sure the deer know you are coming. They can choose to stay put or sneak out but they will not be surprised when you show up. I feel that if you sneak into an area like that and surprise a deer by nearly stepping on them, then you've shaken their sense of security and may make them rethink the security offered by that area.
Go in, let the deer know you're coming set up your tree, do any scouting you want to do, set up your trail cameras then stay out. If you need to go back in at another time for some reason, do the same thing, let them know you're coming... This has worked for me for years.
 
I disagree with most here and would strongly encourage you to prep the tree, mark it on your GPS so you can find the tree easily find it when it comes time to hunt it. What I do in a situation like that is I make a lot of noise as I head into the area. You can talk out loud, step on sticks and break sticks, heck you could carry a small radio with you but make sure the deer know you are coming. They can choose to stay put or sneak out but they will not be surprised when you show up. I feel that if you sneak into an area like that and surprise a deer by nearly stepping on them, then you've shaken their sense of security and may make them rethink the security offered by that area.
Go in, let the deer know you're coming set up your tree, do any scouting you want to do, set up your trail cameras then stay out. If you need to go back in at another time for some reason, do the same thing, let them know you're coming... This has worked for me for years.
I've done that as well. It has worked for me in the past. Another great tool in the toolbox.
 
I disagree with most here and would strongly encourage you to prep the tree, mark it on your GPS so you can find the tree easily find it when it comes time to hunt it. What I do in a situation like that is I make a lot of noise as I head into the area. You can talk out loud, step on sticks and break sticks, heck you could carry a small radio with you but make sure the deer know you are coming. They can choose to stay put or sneak out but they will not be surprised when you show up. I feel that if you sneak into an area like that and surprise a deer by nearly stepping on them, then you've shaken their sense of security and may make them rethink the security offered by that area.
Go in, let the deer know you're coming set up your tree, do any scouting you want to do, set up your trail cameras then stay out. If you need to go back in at another time for some reason, do the same thing, let them know you're coming... This has worked for me for years.
How close are you talking? Unless your talking cell cameras how would you get in to check them prior to the season? I live next to a pretty busy WMA, we see a lot of traffic on the trails that weave throughout, but the deer don't tolerate those that leave the trails, so I don't go any where near where they want to be any closer than 5 or 6 weeks before the season. I know the OP has 3 weeks before his season starts. I don't know what everyone else is doing scouting wise over there but I try to leave those areas alone. I don't see the point to put cameras in his bed either. That being said I had a buddy that couldn't move through an area to get to his stands by walking in. So he practically drove his truck to the base of his tree (about 60yds) because he figured they were used to him driving his truck around the property(private)......it worked.
 
How close are you talking? Unless your talking cell cameras how would you get in to check them prior to the season? I live next to a pretty busy WMA, we see a lot of traffic on the trails that weave throughout, but the deer don't tolerate those that leave the trails, so I don't go any where near where they want to be any closer than 5 or 6 weeks before the season. I know the OP has 3 weeks before his season starts. I don't know what everyone else is doing scouting wise over there but I try to leave those areas alone. I don't see the point to put cameras in his bed either. That being said I had a buddy that couldn't move through an area to get to his stands by walking in. So he practically drove his truck to the base of his tree (about 60yds) because he figured they were used to him driving his truck around the property(private)......it worked.
I strongly agree with all of this, another thing is are we talking just normal deer hunting or going after a mature buck, everybody’s goals are different and I often forget this, in my area doe and young bucks tolerate a lot, old bucks not so much.
 
I've entered deer bedding areas numerous times prior to season to pull cards but I usually won't do it more than once every 3 to 6 weeks apart. I've got mature bucks here and I'm in Michigan where the deer are very heavily hunted. But I let them know I'm coming so I am not surprising them. They can sneak out and still have faith that their secure bedding area is still secure.

Earlier this week I screwed up. Normally when I head back to the woods I drive a tractor. I'm in the woods nearly every day and the deer know the sound of my tractor and don't spook very much from it. They hear me coming and may choose to stand in the woods and watch me as I drive by or sneak off so I don't see them. A couple of days ago I decided to ride my bike back there to get a little exercise. I rounded a corner in my lane and bumped a doe and fawn they both turned inside out and bolted off. I was mere feet from them and they never heard me coming until I was there. I don't feel the deer are ever scared of me coming on the tractor because they hear me coming and have a chance to choose how to react. When I surprised the deer on my bike, there was no doubt they were scared. I think the same is true when entering bedding areas, just don't do it all the time.

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Did you end up killing any of them bucks last year (assuming the date is right) they look like beautys, awesome pictures!
 
Totally depends on how many other good bedding areas are within his core area. The more options he has to bed in, the more apt that if you spook him, he may not return. Also depends on the size and make-up of the bedding area and when your opener is.

If it were me and this was a new option, and I hate going into bedding areas this close to season, I would wait for a hard rain and go in asap and as quietly as possible set something up in the rain. Hunting within bedding areas with evening entries are not conducive for killing big bucks as bedding areas should be hunted in mornings with very early arrivals so as not to spook deer going into them just before daylight with your entry.

I will post an article I wrote on hunting bedding areas and it might take a couple posts.

Sanctuary Death Traps

Ever sat along the perimeter of a bedding area during the rut phases only to suffer through the telltale sounds of bucks chasing does within them? If you’ve been hunting very long, you certainly have.

Here’s a hypothetical question. If I wanted to take an individual out, wouldn’t my best plan be to get inside their house while their not there and wait in ambush for them to come home? After all, they would come into their house at some point and I would be patiently waiting. Many movies have been produced using the same plot.

Notice I mentioned in their home and not at one of the two or three entry doors. My house has a front door, back door, and entry door from the garage so the odds of an encounter at a door would be 33% as opposed to inside where the odds would be 100%. A bedding area is definitely larger than the inside of a house but there are typically dozens of entry and exit routes or doors leading into and out of them.

Our homes offer us the same securities that interiors of bedding areas offer deer, secure places to move around in, bed down, and have sex or breed. If that hypothetical plan works for humans, hunting within bedding areas will and have certainly proven to work for mature bucks during the rut phases.

Bucks and particularly does typically bed in known bedding areas and during the rut phases bucks search for and breed does, therefore bucks search bedding areas for estrous does. Once found, most breeding takes place within the confines of the secure cover of bedding areas. If you don’t believe this, count the actual times you have witnessed a mature buck breed a doe in an area with minimal if any security cover. Even though mature bucks breed throughout the day when with a ready doe, I bet it isn’t many.

To the best of my recollection in Michigan, within the confines of bedding areas I have taken two mature bucks while they were on top of and breeding does, two while chasing past me, three at active primary scrape areas, three others were enticed within range using soft sparring sequences, one by using a Quaker Boy Bleat-In-Heat doe call, and one followed a real (cut from a deer) buck tarsal drag line to my tree. That’s 12 CBM bucks taken within bedding areas and I only hunt interiors of bedding areas on a very limited basis making them my highest percentage areas to hunt.

Bedding areas have many perimeter runways that traverse into a network of interior trails. I am a percentage hunter that sets up in areas and specific locations offering the best odds for the time of season and time of day and the odds of intercepting a buck along a perimeter runway leading into a bedding area is far lower than within the core of the bedding area where the many perimeter runways intermingle. The closer you can get to the core of any known destination location, the better your odds, and a bedding area is a destination area for mature bucks during the rut phases.

So why do so many hunters obsess about staying out of bedding areas and treat them as sacred sanctuaries? The answer to that question is simple and should totally depend on the nature of their hunting area.

What is meant by “the nature of their (your) hunting area”? Having bowhunted in several low hunter density states and many differing hunting density areas within Michigan I can state without reservation that the type of hunting pressure or lack thereof has more to do with how, when, and where, mature bucks move during daylight hours, than any other factor, period, end of discussion! So the nature of your hunting area should be based on the type and quantity of hunting pressure it receives.

Hunting areas differ tremendously and all anyone has to do is watch a hunting TV show or video for confirmation of that fact. As hunting personalities and large parcel high end management hunters prove year after year, when there is little or no hunter competition, or their area has kill criteria’s in place, they do not need to hunt interiors of bedding areas because; there are many mature bucks in the area, they will roam outside security cover at will during daylight hours due to lack of danger from previous hunter encounters while growing to maturity, and there is stiff competition for breeding rights.

For those that have the luxury of owning or leasing enough land or hunt where somebody else does, they don’t have to be concerned about a buck leaving a bedding area and getting taken by a neighbor. They can feel comfortable leaving bedding areas as sanctuary havens where hunting within them is shunned and usually prohibited. Any hunter that thinks heavy consequential hunting pressure has nothing to do with the amount of time mature bucks move during daylight obviously isn’t hunting in such areas.
 
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When bucks sporting their first, second, and in some instances third set of antlers have knowingly passed by hunters with no negative consequences, they have no reason to nearly halt or alter their daytime movement habits.

The types of hunting areas I am referring to when suggesting hunting within the confines of bedding areas is heavy consequential hunting pressure (hchp) areas where hunting parcels are typically small, hunter densities are high, and most are targeting any legal antlered buck. In such areas forget the “I leave my bedding area as a sanctuary area” statement. In such areas, not strategically taking advantage of secure bedding area hot spots can be a mistake.

Deer behavior from area to area can be staggeringly different and if there were a word stronger than staggeringly, I would use it. In hchp areas, no matter the time of hunting season mature bucks are typically bedded down or within the confines of a secure area well before first light unless with a hot doe.

Even if a particular mature buck doesn’t typically bed in a specific bedding area, if several does do, the odds of him passing through during shooting hours to scent check them or of him being locked down with one are much greater than the odds of him passing down a perimeter runway, into an exposed short crop field, or moving through open timber. Never forget that no matter the amount of buck signposting or sign in general, it means absolutely nothing to you as a hunter if it wasn’t left or being revisited during daylight hours.

Due to the fact that enclosure studies are done in non-hunting captive environments and have a balanced age and sex structure herd, I typically render them relatively meaningless for hunting in hchp areas where none of the same criteria exists. Concerning doe estrus cycles however, whether captive or not they are standard in the species and studies show that estrous cycles last between 28 and 36 hours. During the peak rut the majority of does will enter their cycle and the few mature bucks that exist in hchp areas will spend most of whatever time they move during daylight, within secure areas searching for and breeding them.

On several occasions while hunting perimeters of standing corn (which deer bed in) I have witnessed and on two occasions taken a mature buck while encircling a doe to force her back into the security of the corn after the bucks chasing had pushed her out into of the security cover. The point here is that normal routine movement patterns of does and bucks come to a screeching halt. The frenzied chasing by mature bucks in open areas during daylight that we are led to believe is the norm by most of the media just doesn’t materialize. Let me rephrase that, open area chasing does occur in the types of areas most national media personalities hunt, but definitely is out of the norm in hchp areas where there are few mature bucks to compete for breeding rights.

Quite a few years ago on a state land hunt in Livingston County I was sitting on the edge of a dense bedding area with a 40 yard opening of tall weeds to my left and a stand of timber beyond it. For nearly half an hour I watched as a monster buck bred and chased a doe back and forth in the bedding area before the doe ran out and stopped in the center of the opening and looked back for the buck. He came to the edge of the dense brush, stopped and glared at her for a minute or so before turning around and heading back. Her tail twitching and persuasive posture couldn’t entice him out and she turned and followed him back in. It was definitely a learning experience.

During each of my sixteen one-week out of state trips the many mature bucks I saw chased at will in open areas seemingly with no fear of daytime movements or potential hunter consequences. There were also so many mature bucks in each area that they had to cover a lot of ground to fiercely compete for breeding rights. On some of those hunts I would see as many P&Y caliber bucks in a single week as I would see at home in ten seasons.

When hunting in Michigan, if you’re an astute observer you will notice a sudden decline in mature buck and mature doe activity as well as signposting around the second week of November indicating the main breeding phase has begun. Another indicator is when fawns are seen moving around by themselves. Fawns are set out on their own while their does are breeding bucks.

Michigan’s gun season coincides with peak rut, and during that period there is an element of unpredictability when mature bucks are with or pursuing does. In hchp areas, which is what most of Michigan falls under, a mature buck is not going to stay within the confines of a single bedding area during the entire gun season. His breeding urges will occasionally override the security portion of his brain and when not with a hot doe he likely will move to other areas in search of one.

The odds of a buck being taken by another gun hunter beyond your property line is high, so you might as well consider taking advantage of the situation and plan a couple strategic bowhunts within your known bedding area or areas prior to gun season.
 
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