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Ouch! Be careful

JSC

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Been hanging and hunting out of stands for 34 years without incident. I have only used a lineman’s belt or safety harness a handful of times (I know...bad idea). Was practicing with new WE steps and aider/knaider yesterday with my saddle and lineman belt. My toes kicked away from the tree in the aider while adjusting the lineman’s belt. I did not have a hand on a step. I quickly reached for the step and my hand caught strangely on the step badly breaking my finger. Not planning on giving up but is a setback and causing me to reevaluate methods.
 
Ouch, sorry to hear that. Aiders with steps can be tricky, I had several near misses while trying to figure out my 5 step with the steps. I hate that you broke a finger. Hope you heal quickly and it doesn’t impact your hunting season.
 
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Sorry to hear about your finger. I'm using the same setup and there is definitely a learning curve and technique to it. The only advice I can really give is to take your time, keep your your toes into the tree and pointed up, stick with it and don't forget to STRETCH!
 
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I tried the aiders and didn't feel comfortable. I've also never got comfortable with a linemans belt. I've been using the cain method with the WE stepps and haven't looked back.
 
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Man, sorry to hear about your finger. Personally, that’s why I left the stepps and aiders alone. Sticks and aiders isn’t nearly as unstable to me, I guess because you have something solid to hold on to higher than the aider. Hope you heal fast!


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I hope you heal fast bow season is coming soon. I am going to preach because what happened happened. For all who read this post just realize being tied in is just a safety measure but how you are tied in can be manipulated so during a slip or a point of contact failure the climber can rely on his canopy anchor rope, RCH, or saddle to free fall back and away from the trunk dictated by canopy position tie in point. So what should that be? at the very least a spar or trunk buck strap better yet would be a canopy tie in point set above climbing height because the buck or spar tie in point will smash you back into the tree racking up a knee, back, hip, arm but at least it prevents a hit to the ground. one advantage to the buck is it reduced the shock load by half so now your 22kn shock load is actually is only 11kn also may I mention the fact that a prussik has its advantage over a mechanical rope grab because of the forgiveness it provides during shock loads. SRT, DMR, ROPE WALKING, TREE HUMP, NY SADDLE HUNTERS BLAKES HITCH VIDEO all address the issue but do not preach these advantages. once again I hope you are on the mend .
 
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That sucks, sorry to hear about your finger, especially this close to the season. It is a great reminder to all of us to be extra careful. Hope you heal quickly and still have a great season.
 
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I highly recommend trying the steps with just the knaider or just an aider. Set your first step as high as you can reach. Then set one in the middle. You can use an aider hanging off the top step or just the knaider. It’s so much more stable than the knaider swaider because you have that step up high to hold onto. 6 stepps will get you over 20’. You can still kick out but your in a lot stronger position to recover from it. Hate to hear you broke a finger. Hope it heals well. It’s been said before that this is an advanced climbing method. The climbing part itself doesn’t require much skill. It’s the recovery during kick outs that can be difficult. Everyone will have kick outs.
 
Totally sucks and so hate to hear that - always my biggest fear w/5 step aiders too and unfortunately, I think there will be a lot more accidents reported on here as more and more guys try them.

It's one thing to use a 5-step during daylight in the backyard, but climbing down wearing heavy clothes in the dark (when fatigued) doesn't make for a great recipe to remain injury free. I know guys do it all the time (and I'm open to catch some heat), but I don't like them personally. I prefer BEAST sticks w/a CAYG aider or my pole climbers. Both very light weight options...
 
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Man that sucks! Thanks for sharing.

That's why I went away from the steps/aider. It was too risky. I almost fell twice. Glad to see you weren't badly injured. You have 9 other fingers that work fine :)
 
I highly recommend trying the steps with just the knaider or just an aider. Set your first step as high as you can reach. Then set one in the middle. You can use an aider hanging off the top step or just the knaider. It’s so much more stable than the knaider swaider because you have that step up high to hold onto. 6 stepps will get you over 20’. You can still kick out but your in a lot stronger position to recover from it. Hate to hear you broke a finger. Hope it heals well. It’s been said before that this is an advanced climbing method. The climbing part itself doesn’t require much skill. It’s the recovery during kick outs that can be difficult. Everyone will have kick outs.
Well said and solid advice. Thanks
 
I highly recommend trying the steps with just the knaider or just an aider. Set your first step as high as you can reach. Then set one in the middle. You can use an aider hanging off the top step or just the knaider. It’s so much more stable than the knaider swaider because you have that step up high to hold onto. 6 stepps will get you over 20’. You can still kick out but your in a lot stronger position to recover from it. Hate to hear you broke a finger. Hope it heals well. It’s been said before that this is an advanced climbing method. The climbing part itself doesn’t require much skill. It’s the recovery during kick outs that can be difficult. Everyone will have kick outs.

Having recently experienced a similar kickout accident, I agree with this post 100%.

This vid by @boyne bowhunter is another variation.

 
Wow that sucks! I tried that method and slipped a couple times. One time I was hanging sideways in the saddle. Hopefully you'll be good to go by hunting season.
 
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Sorry to hear, hope it's your bow holding hand. I had a finger partial amputation and while heavily bandaged up, I shot an 8 point.. Gutting a deer one handed was a job but doable. Good luck.
 
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I have been meaning to make another video showing how I use the knaider and swaider. There are a number videos out there on their uses but it is rare to see proper use of the lineman's belt. First let me say that climbing with aiders increase the risk; no doubt about it. However, it can be very safe if done correctly.

The secret is simple. LEAN OUT at all times. I was scouting this morning. Setting up a tree, it was my first time using the WE steps and aiders in over eight months. I am happy to say it was like riding a bike. My biggest issue was that I use hiking boots when scouting and my toes get jammed into tree. My stiff rubber boots flex much less. The reason my boots get jammed so hard is because I am always leaning back against the lineman's belt; always. Your toes should be bending backwards and actually be a bit uncomfortable, unless you are using super stiff boots. For example, it should almost be impossible to do it with sneakers because it will feel like your toes are going to break. Even when I have to move the belt up or down I am leaning back, but instead of using my whole body, I am hinging by whatever is connected to the step, be it knaider or swaider, so the toe is jammed hard against the tree. If you do this, you will not kick out. I am very careful of course, making sure the toes are centered on the tree, and if there is any sideways lean to the tree, my body is countering against it.

The best way I can have everyone understand the feeling of leaning back at all times is to climb a tree that leans backward, meaning you need to climb up on the low side of a leaning tree. Below is a vid I made of me doing just that. I was trying to figure out the limits of the knaider and swaider when I made this and only recently realized that this would be an excellent way for people to learn how to properly use the system. The secret is the lineman's belt. If you ever have any slack in the belt then you are doing it wrong. The only time you should experience slack is during that nano second of moving the belt up or down while climbing. I may make another leaner vid, go up a few steps and not deal with a platform so you guys can get a better feel for what I am talking about. The move over the platform is a high risk move because you have to slacken the belt a bit to get it over everything. You have to be sure your foot is set well, or set up a tether before moving up (that would be the smart move). Plus, I think I have gotten better at it since I made this vid :) These days when I climb I am using that ropeman constantly, increasing and shortening length as I move because I am always trying to have the perfect distance from the tree. Too close and I can't pivot at the knee. Too far and I would have to pull my body toward the tree with my arms. The latter is a huge no no in my book because that is when the belt goes slack and I put myself in what I deem the danger zone.

Try it. Climb the low side. It will force you to lean back, always. Your toes will jam into the tree and you should not be able to kick out, even if you try. It is all about the linemans belt. Trust it. Lean back into it. All my climbing is done by my legs now that I know what I am doing. My hands are basically just anchor points, just in case I goof. Pete


 
I also like the steppladder aider. It's adjustable and extremely lightweight if you switch out the heavy steel hook.

 
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I totally agree with @Peter1234 about this. I have been thinking lately about taking down my knaider video and replacing it with a proper one. I hadn't used the knaider and swaider in a while and was out of practice with it so I wasn't using the right technique with my linemans belt in the video. I think with so many new saddlehunters trying this method there needs to be better instruction. Peter has it pretty much perfected in my opinion.
 
Sorry to hear about this. Can you still hold your bow and shoot?! Wish you the best as far as mending. On the climbing system, as many times as I have tossed the aider idea around for weight savings, I find it hard to beat the safety of climbing sticks in my own climbing. I can get plenty high with 3 or 4 sticks and they’re always anchored to the tree.
Hope you start the season off better than this experience, and best wishes for your recovery. Thanks for sharing.
 
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