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Ouch! Be careful

I tried the aiders and didn't feel comfortable. I've also never got comfortable with a linemans belt. I've been using the cain method with the WE stepps and haven't looked back.
I am trying linesman belt for first time this year. I'm 6'5" and take long strides up tree , can get 6' with just 2 steps. By doing it that way seams like i struggle to get the rope to not get caught on back side of tree... (kinda sounds like doc. It hurts when i move like this doesn't it? Lol) maybe just need to take smaller steps up the tree... lol. Have limited steps right now.
 
Sorry to hear about your finger. Hope it heals quickly. I can say that I have practiced quite a bit with a multi step aider on my WEStepps. I never could get comfortable with them, esp. on smaller trees. I prefer the Cain Method with WEStepps, but if I do end up using an aider, it is a single step aider.
 
I have been meaning to make another video showing how I use the knaider and swaider. There are a number videos out there on their uses but it is rare to see proper use of the lineman's belt. First let me say that climbing with aiders increase the risk; no doubt about it. However, it can be very safe if done correctly.

The secret is simple. LEAN OUT at all times. I was scouting this morning. Setting up a tree, it was my first time using the WE steps and aiders in over eight months. I am happy to say it was like riding a bike. My biggest issue was that I use hiking boots when scouting and my toes get jammed into tree. My stiff rubber boots flex much less. The reason my boots get jammed so hard is because I am always leaning back against the lineman's belt; always. Your toes should be bending backwards and actually be a bit uncomfortable, unless you are using super stiff boots. For example, it should almost be impossible to do it with sneakers because it will feel like your toes are going to break. Even when I have to move the belt up or down I am leaning back, but instead of using my whole body, I am hinging by whatever is connected to the step, be it knaider or swaider, so the toe is jammed hard against the tree. If you do this, you will not kick out. I am very careful of course, making sure the toes are centered on the tree, and if there is any sideways lean to the tree, my body is countering against it.

The best way I can have everyone understand the feeling of leaning back at all times is to climb a tree that leans backward, meaning you need to climb up on the low side of a leaning tree. Below is a vid I made of me doing just that. I was trying to figure out the limits of the knaider and swaider when I made this and only recently realized that this would be an excellent way for people to learn how to properly use the system. The secret is the lineman's belt. If you ever have any slack in the belt then you are doing it wrong. The only time you should experience slack is during that nano second of moving the belt up or down while climbing. I may make another leaner vid, go up a few steps and not deal with a platform so you guys can get a better feel for what I am talking about. The move over the platform is a high risk move because you have to slacken the belt a bit to get it over everything. You have to be sure your foot is set well, or set up a tether before moving up (that would be the smart move). Plus, I think I have gotten better at it since I made this vid :) These days when I climb I am using that ropeman constantly, increasing and shortening length as I move because I am always trying to have the perfect distance from the tree. Too close and I can't pivot at the knee. Too far and I would have to pull my body toward the tree with my arms. The latter is a huge no no in my book because that is when the belt goes slack and I put myself in what I deem the danger zone.

Try it. Climb the low side. It will force you to lean back, always. Your toes will jam into the tree and you should not be able to kick out, even if you try. It is all about the linemans belt. Trust it. Lean back into it. All my climbing is done by my legs now that I know what I am doing. My hands are basically just anchor points, just in case I goof. Pete


Thanks for taking the time in your reply. My issue was definitely while adjusting my lineman’s belt. There are lots of good nuggets of information here and I will take it all into consideration.
 
Sorry to hear about this. Can you still hold your bow and shoot?! Wish you the best as far as mending. On the climbing system, as many times as I have tossed the aider idea around for weight savings, I find it hard to beat the safety of climbing sticks in my own climbing. I can get plenty high with 3 or 4 sticks and they’re always anchored to the tree.
Hope you start the season off better than this experience, and best wishes for your recovery. Thanks for sharing.
Right now I am hoping it does not require surgery. I boogered it up good. I will find a way to hunt come season. No worries about that.
 
I tried an aider once on a buddy's set up. I did not like the way it felt. I would much rather add an extra stick and enjoy the comfort and stability.
 
I've already read a few stories of close calls with the multi step aiders. This is just another one to steer me away from them. I think I will stick to sticks or the Sam Potter method. It just feels more secure and comfortable to me.
 
Peter - so I was the guy at Massapalooza that you and MCDM and some others grabbed as I went horizontal on the first step w/ the Aider/Knaider setup. You all helped me get vertical again (cause I couldn't have done it without ya all) but that was at 4' off the ground and with a bunch of guys around me in daylight. I couldn't imagine being in that position at 25' up and being able to recover in the dark.

I haven't climbed w/ WE Stepps since but looking at the Boyne Modified Cain Method vid and then looking at your Climbing the Low Side vid it has me thinking that if there only was a way to tie your tether above you as a safety measure while using the Aider/Knaider then there would be a fail-safe, but it really won't work as you have to stand up to tie the tether above your head, and that is where the "dangerous" risk factor comes in with this method.

The biggest problem I was having was that my knee kept hitting the WE Stepp on the way up and I couldn't connect the Knaider Hook to the stepp. I obviously wasn't far enough back on my tether but I felt like I was maxing out the length on the Tetherd Tree Strap I was using with my Mantis and couldn't go much further. Or maybe it was the propensity to stand and use my hands on the tree (like any stick method) when I shouldn't be...

The Low Side Vid is great as it totally reinforces what you were saying to me and everyone else at Massapalooza, lean out! I just need to practice this low side method more to get the confidence to use it. Maybe practicing with 2 stepps off the low side of leaner will build that confidence to lean that far back and I'll eventually be doing it at 30'.

I will try using the Boyne Modified Cain Method as well...seeing as I have 16 regular stepps and 3 of the large base/long rope ones (figured I needed to have a full setup for me and my 2 boys when they get big enough)

Trying to be a Master of Everything Saddle Related is very taxing...but after 15 something years of just using a LW hand climber, it's easy to forget I wasn't a master of that either after just 1 season in the woods with it...
 
After practicing with the W/E steps and a lineman's belt, I've officially ditched the lineman's belt and replaced it with the "Cain Method". You can get around limbs way easier and I feel like I'm way more in control of my movements without a rope being tied around me. I also use the W/E aider and hook it to my tether and my highest W/E so I'm always attached to the tree.
 
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