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Persimmons

NMSbowhunter said:
I saw a pile the other day in town and thought that, but it's the native to the area that has me reluctant. All the native ones we have seem to not produce much if any fruit.
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You should think about planting those, let them grow up about an inch thick, and then grafting them with known american persimmon scions. That way you have a local adapted rootstock that grows well in your soil with the production you want. Also, don't overlook the importance of sunlight in both growth rate and fruit production. These trees are adapted to persist in the substory for years just waiting and hoping a big tree will fall and they can shoot up and flourish in full sun. Just because its growing doesn't mean it has reached it's potential. I am for 6+ hours of sun on my grafted trees, most of mine are growing on the edge of thickets so one day deer can just poke their head out for a quick much and an arrow through the lungs. I also have chosen different varieties for different areas depending on drop time
 
BackSpasm said:
You should think about planting those, let them grow up about an inch thick, and then grafting them with known american persimmon scions. That way you have a local adapted rootstock that grows well in your soil with the production you want. Also, don't overlook the importance of sunlight in both growth rate and fruit production. These trees are adapted to persist in the substory for years just waiting and hoping a big tree will fall and they can shoot up and flourish in full sun. Just because its growing doesn't mean it has reached it's potential. I am for 6+ hours of sun on my grafted trees, most of mine are growing on the edge of thickets so one day deer can just poke their head out for a quick much and an arrow through the lungs. I also have chosen different varieties for different areas depending on drop time
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I did pick up several ripe fruits from that tree that was dropping really well last month. I got all the seeds out of the fruit and dried out the seeds to plant later. I rarely see raccoon poop out where I hunt, and it is rarer to see it with persimmon seeds.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
I did pick up several ripe fruits from that tree that was dropping really well last month. I got all the seeds out of the fruit and dried out the seeds to plant later. I rarely see raccoon poop out where I hunt, and it is rarer to see it with persimmon seeds.
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You'd be amazed where youll find raccoon scat that has persimmon seeds. I've been scouting/trapping properties and see raccoon scat with persimmons and there's not a tree, let alone a persimmon within a mile.
 
SNIPERBBB said:
You'd be amazed where youll find raccoon scat that has persimmon seeds. I've been scouting/trapping properties and see raccoon scat with persimmons and there's not a tree, let alone a persimmon within a mile.
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Well, see, this is what I was thinking. I found a small pile of scat that had seeds in it near the truck a couple of weeks ago and thought. OK, there has to be a tree around here dropping somewhere, so I headed out to find it. No luck, but that area is huge, and it could just be one little tree 3 miles off away off in some crazy spot. I have yet to find a dropping persimmon tree in 4 years out there.
 
NMSbowhunter said:
Well, see, this is what I was thinking. I found a small pile of scat that had seeds in it near the truck a couple of weeks ago and thought. OK, there has to be a tree around here dropping somewhere, so I headed out to find it. No luck, but that area is huge, and it could just be one little tree 3 miles off away off in some crazy spot. I have yet to find a dropping persimmon tree in 4 years out there.
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The small ones tucked into the canopy are tough to find for sure. And if they are that small and difficult to find, I would argue their relevance for hunting and deer movement is low. However, the best bet is to check well-drained west-facing slopes from the middle of the slope on up to the top with prior disturbance in the past 50 years, or check old grown-up fields or edges of clearing where sunlight can get in and allow the seedlings to persist
 
NMSbowhunter said:
Well, see, this is what I was thinking. I found a small pile of scat that had seeds in it near the truck a couple of weeks ago and thought. OK, there has to be a tree around here dropping somewhere, so I headed out to find it. No luck, but that area is huge, and it could just be one little tree 3 miles off away off in some crazy spot. I have yet to find a dropping persimmon tree in 4 years out there.
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Those scenarios have driven me crazy in the past. Had me doubting my tree ID skills. Same thing with pawpaws. Id find some scat with pawpaws seeds and really go crazy trying to find em.
 
BackSpasm said:
The small ones tucked into the canopy are tough to find for sure. And if they are that small and difficult to find, I would argue their relevance for hunting and deer movement is low. However, the best bet is to check well-drained west-facing slopes from the middle of the slope on up to the top with prior disturbance in the past 50 years, or check old grown-up fields or edges of clearing where sunlight can get in and allow the seedlings to persist
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I'll have to give that checking the west facing slopes a try. The area I hunt doesn't have any real field edges. It's almost all big woods and so there is not much of in the way sun lit areas.
 
If I could just catch that raccoon and put a radio collar on him, I'd be in business!
 
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