Ive had hunting equipment walk away on more than one occasion while trying to get preset trees on public land. Since ive discovered saddles i have some ideas that i think should work great. As a disclaimer this won't work for everyone but if you're skinny like me (170-180lbs), always broke, and good working with your hands this should help some people. I haven't hunted of these steps yet but I've been jumping up and down on they for a couple months now and they are solid. These only cost whatever the ratchet straps cost (harbor freight: cheap) for me because i find the 3'' sch40 pipe in the dumpster of a plumbing shop close to where i work. I make the sticks out of drops of 3/4 sch40 steel pipe....they are loud and heavy....but they are free to me. I've honestly been thinking of making throw away climbing sticks out of hardwood. The pvc steps are loud and hard to pack... I'm talking preset.... Set it and forget it. If you have access to the materials mentioned, a little welding skill, and time to get out there and get them in your tree, then if some a-hole does decide your stuff is better at his house you should only be out <20 dollars. I guess i should also mention on florida wma no cutting, drilling, or driving metal objects into trees. 1st pic is all my weight out on the tip....no pull off from the tree