Rappelling question.

[EarlBon94]

Is there a reason I couldn’t use the Millennium lifelines (30’) if I bought a Safeguard just to get the feel of rappelling? Seems like the rope is 9mm… maybe I’m missing something.

I’m not looking to go cheap at the cost of being unsafe, just thought it might be a good way to try it out.

ISO a Safeguard regardless…. Thanks!


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[samkeath058]

I tried this with a figure 8 and it works but is heavier then OpLux and I think it doesn’t come down as well as OpLux.

 

[EarlBon94]

That makes sense


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[Fl Canopy Stalker]

The millennium lifeline is 10mm if memory serves me and will work. The cover isn’t as tight as some newer tatical lines so it might not be as smooth but you can absolutely use it

 

[Iron_llama]

From what I understand (and I'm happy to be corrected), the sheathing on the Millennium and Muddy lifelines don't hold up to repeated friction as well as the sheathing on proper climbing lines. I cut a Muddy up for tethers and linesman's belts, but I think for rappelling I'd prefer a purpose-made climbing line. Really, 35' of C-IV or whatever isn't going to cost that many more dollars that a lifeline kit from Cabela's.

 

[Weldabeast]

I thought it was 11mm.... It's thick but not stiff

 

[Weldabeast]

If u just want to try rappelling here is what I'd do if I was u...learn to tie a monster munter and use the factory prusik above the munter as a safety back up....get good at it tethered to a tree but standing on the ground. Once u confident with that u go up 6 or 8 feet...I just used a ladder and climbed up and rappel the short distance over and over. There's plenty of info on here and utubes is helpful too. U already have what u need

 

[Weldabeast]

That rope is pretty thick so u may have to buy an over sized biner...that's probably cheaper than that other thing

 

[Iron_llama]

If u just want to try rappelling here is what I'd do if I was u...learn to tie a monster munter and use the factory prusik above the munter as a safety back up....get good at it tethered to a tree but standing on the ground. Once u confident with that u go up 6 or 8 feet...I just used a ladder and climbed up and rappel the short distance over and over. There's plenty of info on here and utubes is helpful too. U already have what u need

This is my advice for 1-stick practice. Climb to the top of your stick, take a few shots, and rappel down, from 5-6' up. Get confident with the technique that low, then make a move and rappel from there. You get more reps in - and therefore more practice - at low height, than you do trying to get to height.

 

[Tknapp]

If u just want to try rappelling here is what I'd do if I was u...learn to tie a monster munter and use the factory prusik above the munter as a safety back up....get good at it tethered to a tree but standing on the ground. Once u confident with that u go up 6 or 8 feet...I just used a ladder and climbed up and rappel the short distance over and over. There's plenty of info on here and utubes is helpful too. U already have what u need

I used a munter hitch with muddy rope to try it out. The twist got so out of control with only one rappel I threw it in the trash. Also, the sheath ended up 6" shorter than the core.

 

[Weldabeast]

I used a munter hitch with muddy rope to try it out. The twist got so out of control with only one rappel I threw it in the trash. Also, the sheath ended up 6" shorter than the core.

I wouldn't recommend to rappel on muddy rope. The millennium is better quality. I also don't recommend rappelling on a munter hitch only....a monster munter doesn't twist the rope like that hardly at all

 

[Iron_llama]

I used a munter hitch with muddy rope to try it out. The twist got so out of control with only one rappel I threw it in the trash. Also, the sheath ended up 6" shorter than the core.

As I understand it, the Super Munter twists the rope less than the standard. And I'm surprised the rope reacted that way, usually the sheath gets longer than the core and you have to trim off the excess. I think they call it "milking a rope" or something like that.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

From what I understand (and I'm happy to be corrected), the sheathing on the Millennium and Muddy lifelines don't hold up to repeated friction as well as the sheathing on proper climbing lines. I cut a Muddy up for tethers and linesman's belts, but I think for rappelling I'd prefer a purpose-made climbing line. Really, 35' of C-IV or whatever isn't going to cost that many more dollars that a lifeline kit from Cabela's.

They aren’t a tight weave kermantle. This is true they won’t hold up as well as say pro tac, oplux or HTP but it’ll work for a while, as long as he inspects his ropes.

 

[Iron_llama]

They aren’t a tight weave kermantle. This is true they won’t hold up as well as say pro tac, oplux or HTP but it’ll work for a while, as long as he inspects his ropes.

I'll defer to you. Thanks!

 

[Weldabeast]

The muddy rope has lots of slop/play between the sheath and core no matter how well u milk it

 

[Tknapp]

I wouldn't recommend to rappel on muddy rope. The millennium is better quality. I also don't recommend rappelling on a munter hitch only....a monster munter doesn't twist the rope like that hardly at all

This was my try out and I only did it once. I went home and ordered Canyon elite and a mammut smart 2.0 and carabiner. I score the muddy rope a 0/10.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

The muddy rope has lots of slop/play between the sheath and core no matter how well u milk it

Is the muddy rope

I'll defer to you. Thanks!

you’re definitely giving him sound advice. Canyon and tatical ropes are made specifically for rappelling and rescue type work both with mechanicals and devices such as figure 8… they hold up much better to repeated use, friction and abrasion. I was simply stating it can be used as long as he inspect his ropes with realization that like you said, there are much better ropes. No need to defer, you are spot on with your recommendations

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

This was my try out and I only did it once. I went home and ordered Canyon elite and a mammut smart 2.0 and carabiner. I score the muddy rope a 0/10.

Yea muddy line isn’t great but have you tried the ropes that come with the hawk set
They are literally nylon dock ropes with zero abrasion resistance. I rate the muddy about 2.5/10 but that’s because the hawk ropes were soooooo bad lol

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

As I understand it, the Super Munter twists the rope less than the standard. And I'm surprised the rope reacted that way, usually the sheath gets longer than the core and you have to trim off the excess. I think they call it "milking a rope" or something like that.

100% usually the cover “milks” which leaves it much longer than the core.

 

[Weldabeast]

This was my try out and I only did it once. I went home and ordered Canyon elite and a mammut smart 2.0 and carabiner. I score the muddy rope a 0/10.

My linesman belt is made out of it and it's almost 8 seasons with me...I need to replace but its hard to part with an old friend...short tethers and linesman it's hard to beat imo.