I'm not really sold on the cam cleats on my Muddy Pros. I had made versa buttons for a set of Heliums but I don't remember how the rope wrapped around the button. I think I made the exposed shank on the bolt about 1 1/2 times the thickness of the rope so it pinched over itself. Does the rope go around the button and then behind itself and half hitch on the opposite side? TIA.