Rope Splicing Course

[woodsdog2]

I am somewhat interested in learning more about doing this. I came across this from Sherrill Tree. For those of you that do your own splicing etc.,,,, what are your thoughts about something like this??? https://sherrilltree.com/treeu-splicing-series-with-nick-araya/

 

[Brocky]

Nick knows his stuff, Brion Toss has a very good video on basic splices also.

 

[Bango Skank]

Nick is brilliant. I have those videos, they’re full of hints, tips and tricks to make things easier. Tons of info that you won’t get from the manufacturers’ instructions.

 

[John RB]

I am somewhat interested in learning more about doing this. I came across this from Sherrill Tree. For those of you that do your own splicing etc.,,,, what are your thoughts about something like this??? https://sherrilltree.com/treeu-splicing-series-with-nick-araya/

Here's my own personal dilemma with splices....

When i tie a scaffold knot, or a figure 8 loop, or whatever...as bulky as it is, it has a ton of history behind it and I can visually inspect it and know that I'm good to trust my life on it. If i start splicing... I would need to do a lot of splices and waste a lot of rope doing pull test before I trusted it with my life. And all i gain is a little rope and tidying. Also, I am finding less and less reasons to use anything with a splice. For example, if i were a stick climber instead of a rope climber, i wouldn't be using a conventional tether with a running loop at the end.... i think its gonna be a thing of the past as word spreads about better options.

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[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Here's my own personal dilemma with splices....

When i tie a scaffold knot, or a figure 8 loop, or whatever...as bulky as it is, it has a ton of history behind it and I can visually inspect it and know that I'm good to trust my life on it. If i start splicing... I would need to do a lot of splices and waste a lot of rope doing pull test before I trusted it with my life. And all i gain is a little rope and tidying. Also, I am finding less and less reasons to use anything with a splice. For example, if i were a stick climber instead of a rope climber, i wouldn't be using a conventional tether with a running loop at the end.... i think its gonna be a thing of the past as word spreads about better options.

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You wouldn’t use a tether with a loop at the end? Am I to assume then you would instead be tying on a delta link or rope clip and using it to wrap the tree?

 

[John RB]

You wouldn’t use a tether with a loop at the end? Am I to assume then you would instead be tying on a delta link or rope clip and using it to wrap the tree?

No, i Don't like that option. Granted, i am extremely comfortable tying it, and nobody should use it if they aren't, but nothing beats the JRB hitch for a remotely retrievable rappel anchor, and so this is my first choice.

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[John RB]

Option 2 for a remotely retrievable anchor is the Saddle Hunter's Hitch.

And i haven't yet published a 3rd option. Still tweaking. The 3rd option is not exploding and so if ya have limbs between the ground and your tie in point, you will need to pull the whole thing over. But its easier to tie than both of the others.

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[Brocky]

Splices are more compact and can be much stronger than knots, one splice only has a couple percent of strength lost.

 

[tarafrost]

Kinda depends on what kind of rope you are splicing. If it's regular (sold core) climbing rope, then I would not attempt that, since it's quite complex and having testing equipment would be advised. When I bought my rappel rope (Canyon Elite) I had the supplier put in a spliced/sewn loop, but they test their loops, and supply primarily to the arborist trade, so I was comfortable with that.

If you are splicing hollow braid (eg. amsteel, dynalite, etc), then that is pretty easy to learn to do and to create strong/safe splices and loops. All you need is some fids, some knowledge/practice with how to do brummel locks and the like.

 

[woodsdog2]

Kinda depends on what kind of rope you are splicing. If it's regular (sold core) climbing rope, then I would not attempt that, since it's quite complex and having testing equipment would be advised. When I bought my rappel rope (Canyon Elite) I had the supplier put in a spliced/sewn loop, but they test their loops, and supply primarily to the arborist trade, so I was comfortable with that.

If you are splicing hollow braid (eg. amsteel, dynalite, etc), then that is pretty easy to learn to do and to create strong/safe splices and loops. All you need is some fids, some knowledge/practice with how to do brummel locks and the like.

Would the same principles in this course apply to all types of rope???

 

[tarafrost]

Would the same principles in this course apply to all types of rope???

Unlikely, since how you splice hollow braid is very different than for solid core. Hard to tell from the course description what kind of ropes he's splicing, but seems like hollow braid, and there are tons of resources on YouTube that can show you how to properly splice hollow braid. Course is probably not worth the $50 they want for it.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Would the same principles in this course apply to all types of rope???

There are differences between class 1 splices, and class 2 splices. There are also differences between splicing double braid ropes that are not cover dependent and double braid cover dependent ropes. 32 strand Kermantle ropes are different that 24 strand double braided ropes for splicing and effectiveness. The course is a beginner level course and definitely worth the $50 if you want some tricks to make basic splicing easier or if you plan to learn some advanced splices (gotta have the basics down first).
Now if you plan on doing a lot of splicing I suggest Samson’s on line splicing series. It’s way more expensive and very extensive. But you have the opportunity to become a certified splicer. Anyway that’s my two cents

 

[Brocky]

Unlikely, since how you splice hollow braid is very different than for solid core. Hard to tell from the course description what kind of ropes he's splicing, but seems like hollow braid, and there are tons of resources on YouTube that can show you how to properly splice hollow braid. Course is probably not worth the $50 they want for it.

There are very few solid braid ropes and cords, which can be spliced and produce some of the best results. Most covered rope has a hollow braid core, the exception would be twisted parallel core strands. The course, or if able to self teach, the rope manufactures instructions would be the better choice, many suspect splicing instructions YouTube.

 

[Torvic]

Splices are more compact and can be much stronger than knots, one splice only has a couple percent of strength lost.

You correct when you tie a knot at the end of the rope you're reducing the strength of the rope by almost half off its strength!

 

[gcr0003]

@woodsdog2 did you ever end up learning to splice? I’m interested myself.

I watched some of Samson splicing videos and I’m trying to make sure I got a list of all the tools I need. Seems like an awl, fid, and pusher may be all I need for the splice portion. Im still looking into what’s needed for the locking stitch. Thoughts @Brocky?

 

[Cajunyankee]

@woodsdog2 did you ever end up learning to splice? I’m interested myself.

I watched some of Samson splicing videos and I’m trying to make sure I got a list of all the tools I need. Seems like an awl, fid, and pusher may be all I need for the splice portion. Im still looking into what’s needed for the locking stitch. Thoughts @Brocky?

What kind of rope are you planning to splice? I used to splice predator rope.

 

[Brocky]

Fids have limited use, the Selma ones are better than Samsons if you do get some. I’ve rarely used a pusher, it came with the set I got, but wouldn’t buy it separately. Bent piano wire is a better option. Hand sewing needle from a hobby Lobby are better than the sail maker needles, which have sharp points that cut fibers as the go through, generally sold with splicing supplies. There are also splicing needles, but are very thin and most people break them.
You can usually judge how successful your splice is by looking, smooth, even taper, no lumps or bumps. If wanting to test, Arbsession is fairly cheap and usually fast return.

 

[woodsdog2]

@woodsdog2 did you ever end up learning to splice? I’m interested myself.

I watched some of Samson splicing videos and I’m trying to make sure I got a list of all the tools I need. Seems like an awl, fid, and pusher may be all I need for the splice portion. Im still looking into what’s needed for the locking stitch. Thoughts @Brocky?

No, I bought the kit from EWO for amsteel splicing and there it sits.

 

[gcr0003]

What kind of rope are you planning to splice? I used to splice predator rope.

I’d like to eventually be able to splice predator yea

 

[Brocky]

Predator is a Class I Double Braid,