Ropeman 1 safe for tether?

[kyler1945]

Why do people tie stopper knots then? How many inches of rope do you have before the prussic comes off if the ropeman shears the rope? If a prussic can't slide off of that little stub, how can it slide off a full length tether.

And where is @kyler1945 when you need him to rant about feelings of safety? Lol

I have no feelings about it anymore. I'm numb to it. I just pop in on occasion to attempt to get people to think about it the right way. Many times the details that are overlooked in the effort to make what you're doing FEEL right, end up being the ones that make it pointless, or outright dangerous.

I've said my piece on ropeman on a tether. Devil's in the details.

As far as backing it up with a friction hitch, I suppose it could be useful, given the hitch is far enough from the ropeman to allow for the rope to break from the ropeman failure, get loaded, begin sliding/generating friction, and locking up. I'm guessing that distance is some handful of inches minimum above the ropeman. I wouldnt' pretend to know the answer here because this is too dynamic of a situation. Frankly the thought of how those ideas would be tested in the real world makes my stomach hurt.

What I am confident of, is that it introduces too many variables to make me comfortable I'll get it right every time. I hang in a certified climb rated sling/bridge. I hang from a certified climb rated carabiner/tether(my tether is attached to my bridge directly). I am positioned on that tether with a friction hitch(not certified or designed to hold my weight in a fall). Any single point of failure is climb rated, and I have assumed responsibility for their care and proper use. I wouldn't dream of hanging from a ropeman, or a prussic, or a combination of the two, without being tied directly to my tether. My life depends on the rated saddle, tether, carabiner. I choose not to use a ropeman on a tether because as described above, it doesn't make a material difference in efficiency for me in a tree, and introduces a point of failure I'm not comfortable with.

Assuming that because someone can keep slack out of their system, that nothing can go wrong, is going to get someone killed. Matter of time.

Assuming that things work because they make you feel comfortable, will get someone killed. It already has billions of times.

Being able to set your feelings aside, and think about big numbers, will be helpful in reducing risk. We all suck at it. My humble opinion is less is more here. Streamlined, certified/inspected system that you know well, and treat with respect, and use in a slow deliberate manner, is the ticket.

My thoughts are in my signature. I also need to kill more squirrels...

 

[sojourner]

[mention]Nutterbuster [/mention] and [mention]kyler1945 [/mention] laying down logic, reason and truth.

I hope the message gets through (for everyone’s safety).

 

[PA_Hunter08]

I see a HUGE benefit to using a ropeman on a lineman rope, but I don’t see nearly as much benefit to having one on the tether. I guess it adjusts more easily than a Prussik knot, but it’s added metal and potential noise during a hunt, and I’ve heard a couple of horror stories about people mindlessly or accidentally releasing one while under tension, they aren’t designed to stop that kind of fall. Doesn’t make sense for me to buy a second for my tether, but that’s just my two cents on it.


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[Zoa]

Assuming that because someone can keep slack out of their system, that nothing can go wrong, is going to get someone killed. Matter of time.

This. S--- happens. I was on an observation sit this summer when a wasp flew into my boot and stung me. Involuntarily hopped straight up and fell. Had no intention of ever putting slack in my tether, but if I had been using a ropeman, I might be dead now.

 

[LtMoe66]

If your Ropeman1 is shearing your rope your not using the right size rope, period!

 

[LtMoe66]

If your Ropeman1 is shearing your rope your not using the right size rope, period!

Im retired recently but while doing bailout training in the fire service one day we had some extra time after training and was able to use as a test to see durability of the gear I was using to hunt with. If your having to worry about Ropeman failing because of shear off it’s because you are not using the proper type rope and your also not doing something safe to begin with. None of the falls that you would experience should be further than a few feet if you have done the proper techniques. Almost everything will fail if you put it to the furthest extreme, and that’s usually caused by incompetence. Always be familiar with your gear and what it’s rated and capable of.