chrisbolton
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Right now, I am using a sitdrag with a rock climbing harness. Does anyone pair a saddle (tethrd, Cruzr, etc) with a rock climbing harness?
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Saddle and rock climbing harness
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Recurveaholic
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What would be the point other than double protection because they both provide the same amount of safety especially if the saddle has leg loops! Just wondering your reasoning?
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Today, I tied a second shorter tether below my main tether and tied an autoblock to my personal anchor system which was girth hitched to my rock climbing harness. I use the personal anchor system for rappelling. But one thing I really liked was the backup system AND when I attached my back support, I just attached it to my personal anchor system. That is, no opening carabiners that have load. Anyway, that's why I'm wondering haha
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I was wondering that myself. You wouldn't need the RCH if you already have a saddle. The RCH provides the safety part of your sitdrag or battlebelt saddle setups whereas a dedicated saddle is both the RCH and Sitdrag combined. Does that make sense?
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Gotcha that is definitely alot safer!! And never heard of too much safety!!!! LOL
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I'm thinking I will replace the bottom tether with my rappel rope and just keep the excess rappel rope in my book bag.
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I mean if all else fails LOLLooks like you are tied off to your gear strap, so everything should be good.
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Those legs loops are not intended to be used as a safety legs loops like the RCH legs loops you can compare peaches to apples!!
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Depends on which ones you are referring too cause some of them are!
Can you point me to does that do so I can purchase one of these saddles and can dump my RCH would really appreciate it!
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During last season, I started to set up my rappel line right away after climbing. Mostly, because I didn't want to deal with it after dark. With that, I realized I have a backup tether on the tree, with a bit slack, but it was a backup. That made me thinking that a backup is not a bad thing. At the same time, I realized that it all comes together at the bridge and the saddle. So, only 33% of my system has a back up. The tether, but not the bridge and saddle. It was then when I decided to play around with my RCH in addition to the saddle during the upcoming season. It would be purely as a backup to ease my mind and see how much extra stuff I'd have to deal with. If I put the RCH on under the saddle, it should not hinder in any way while walking in or during climbing.
While hunting, I'd rely on the saddle with backband for comfortable sitting/leaning. For rappelling, we'll see...
So, I totally get it when you're contemplating about safety through a backup system. If we never need it, we did everything right or were just lucky. It's always for that one time....
What additional failures are you covering for here, vs just adding extra complexity/snarl/movement restriction? Safety's critical of course, and the biggest part of that is the human factor.
In short - the tether is not gonna break. If you fall, it's almost certainly because you screwed up clipping in, tied a bad knot or hitch, etc. Running a bit of extra tail on your tether and clipping it in to a load-rated loop on your saddle, or running a second hitch on your main tether can probably cover most or all of the same benefits with a more streamlined package.
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That looks like more clutter than Ole @bj139 s set up haha
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My philosophy here, which gets zero traction whenever I mention it on the forum, is that with almost any other hunting method - climber for example - you have two layers of protection... first the stand has to fail, and then the tie off has to fail, for you to take a long fall.
As you point out, saddle hunting is generally one layer of protection.
So yeah, when I’m sitting in a JX3 I also have my lineman’s girth hitched and running as a tether to RC harness. It’s not uncomfortable and it’s not that cumbersome. I also climb with a tether and a lineman’s. Again, it doesn’t feel like a big deal vs the peace of mind.
As you point out, saddle hunting is generally one layer of protection.
So yeah, when I’m sitting in a JX3 I also have my lineman’s girth hitched and running as a tether to RC harness. It’s not uncomfortable and it’s not that cumbersome. I also climb with a tether and a lineman’s. Again, it doesn’t feel like a big deal vs the peace of mind.
A couple of points to that:
1) What's not cumbersome in a JX3, may well be cumbersome in another saddle.
2) While a stand may fail, a well-maintained saddle will not. Tree Stands are required to hit a safety factor of 2 - i.e. if it's rated to 300 pounds, load it up with 600 pounds of weight and if it holds it it passes. A saddle is rated for several multiples of that (to withstand a fall that's stronger than your body). Your tether is rated for ~10x that load (and would kill you before snapping).
What's going to cause an issue and where smart redundancy helps, is in the human factor. Your equipment isn't going to break, but you might screw up clipping in a carabiner in the dark, or tie a crappy hitch, or whatever. The way I see it - you don't necessarily overcome that by adding a bunch of extra equipment to haul around (depending on how you manage this it can make you less safe - for example if you don't clip in your backup until you're situated...it's doing nothing but making you remember 1 extra thing)
If you set up your tether, then take off your lineman's belt and reconfigure it as a second tether, that's fine but not adding safety.
If you remove it to reconfigure as a lineman's belt before unhooking your tether, again fine, but not really adding anything.
The real risk is when you disconnect that lineman's belt and transfer to your tether, even for a moment. You'd get more safety by clipping the tail of the tether to your saddle, before finishing setting up your tether.
In short - consider what is likely to fail, and what you're comfortable considering as "bombproof", and structure your backups accordingly.
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Aero Hunter had climb rated leg loops and the old Trophylines used the same webbing as climbing harnesses used and if you research it I am sure there are others those are just two off the top of my head!
Had and that means past saddles what about present day saddle?
Had and old means past!
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Not sure about present day saddles but there is a Aero Hunter for sale in the classified section!