I won’t speculate on why those things aren’t done when you purchase those saddles because I don’t know.Dont think I got any manuals.
Do the seat belts in your vehicle have an expiration date?
Yes and no. Perhaps there is not one listed however your car warranty covered your safety belt, but since your car is for recreational use, they can’t make you replace seatbelt just like they can’t make you replace your tires or trade in your car. If there is a known issue, they send out recall notices but they can’t make you take the car in to get the replacement part either.Do the seat belts in your vehicle have an expiration date?
Let's see some 5 year old saddles......does anybody keep them that long anyway? I have a 3 and 4 year old....little wear and tear but I still use. Mesh frey and linesman loop a couple stitches have looses upView attachment 65733View attachment 65734
Yes and no. Perhaps there is not one listed however your car warranty covered your safety belt, but since your car is for recreational use, they can’t make you replace seatbelt just like they can’t make you replace your tires or trade in your car. If there is a known issue, they send out recall notices but they can’t make you take the car in to get the replacement part either.
Seat belts are not constantly supporting your hanging weight either. They shouldn’t be subjected to static or dynamic loads unless you crash. Your saddle is out in the weather, suffering wear and tear from branches, thorns, sweat all while being statically loaded through out your hunt. So it’s not an apples to apples comparison.
No I don’t know because we have no clue where they are purchasing the seat belt webbing from. The strap works webbing is different than, TNwebbing, and they are both different than Sgt Knots. It’s tough to tell without knowing the distributor or manufacturer the webbing is being bought from. This is one of the reasons I only utilize the milspec webbing. I know it is required to meet certain strength and size requirements. Plus the color options are consistent and nylon can stretch a little to help absorb a dynamic event. Sure it costs a lot more than seatbelt webbing, but in my mind the additional cost is worth it due to the benefits.Seatbelt webbing has to be certified to CFR standards. Do we know if the saddles using "seatbelt webbing" are even using certified stock to begin with?
Your vehicle. You drive a sedan style race car or open wheel formula car?International race car standards:
The FIA standard is five years starting on January 1 of the year following the year of manufacture.
FIA homologated belts are typically used in sedan style race cars or open wheel formula cars that are well maintained and see very little exposure to harsh elements such as water, dirt, and mud. This standard is for a 5 or 6 point belts (5point belts will be disallowed by the FIA starting in 2018). The FIA homologation requires seat belts to pass certain breaking loads, elongation rates, abrasion resistance, and corrosion resistance as well as pass a dynamic crash sled test. Nearly all FIA seat belts use polyester webbing instead of nylon webbing. Polyester webbing has a much higher UV resistance than nylon as well as more resistance to water, oil and other contaminants. Polyester webbing is also superior to Nylon webbing in controlling elongation rates with less stretch and 'rubber band effect'. Nylon webbing has a standard elongation of 25% where polyester webbing can be manufactured with specific elongations ranging from 6% to 16% depending on the application requirement. Due to the predominant use of Polyester webbing as well as the typical application for an FIA belt, the FIA homologates the safety of its belts for 5 years plus the year of production. FIA testing and approval procedures are more costly - therefore FIA belts are typically more expensive than SFI belts. Over the useful life of a harness system, the price of an FIA belt, with up to six years validity compared to multiple sets of SFI belts may end up at a break-even or less expensive than the SFI belts over the same period of time. FIA does not permit re-webbing on their seat belts.
Your vehicle. You drive a sedan style race car or open wheel formula car?
What do you mean by point of reference? G2 Outdoors on Youtube which is made by the Tethrd guys stated this in one of their videos. Also due to normal wear and tear and degradation of materials over time they have to put a expiration date on them so they're not held liable, even if the saddle is completely fine. Its all to cover their ace if they were sued.Not to be contentious, but what's the point of reference for them to make such a claim?
What do you mean by point of reference? G2 Outdoors on Youtube which is made by the Tethrd guys stated this in one of their videos. Also due to normal wear and tear and degradation of materials over time they have to put a expiration date on them so they're not held liable, even if the saddle is completely fine. Its all to cover their ace if they were sued.
Oh i gotcha, prolly have to call them about that.The Mantis saddle, Tethrd's first, was introduced in 2018 I believe, so those saddles haven't even reached 5 years. So when they make the claim "most materials will last for 20 years if cared for properly", I'm wondering what the basis for the claim is and exactly what it means.
Oh i gotcha, prolly have to call them about that.
Seatbelt webbing has to be certified to CFR standards. Do we know if the saddles using "seatbelt webbing" are even using certified stock to begin with?
Mantis saddle??? That one was purposely made uncomfortable so they wouldn't have to worry about anyone using it long term.The Mantis saddle, Tethrd's first, was introduced in 2018 I believe, so those saddles haven't even reached 5 years. So when they make the claim "most materials will last for 20 years if cared for properly", I'm wondering what the basis for the claim is and exactly what it means.
Interestingly today, I was looking at the heavy duty full body harness that came with the XOP platform and it says to discard it if it is 2 years beyond the manufacturer date. That is the shortest time frame I have ever seen