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Secret tethrd stick used while one sticking

bowhunter15 said:
I got that idea from Chris Cain. "One stickin"

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I had never seen anyone do this but the second time I tried one sticking I was like, “man this stupid tether is the way, I can’t put my stick any higher, wait a second!” It was so intuitive to put it under there to hold it. The only thing I haven’t tried is walking up the tree to get it under the tether. I usually just grab the tether and pull it towards me enough to get the stick underneath.
 
I always wondered why nobody uses their rappel rope as a tether so you can have double use for this one fairly bulky item or is it just because nobody wants the long tail hanging down?
 
Recurveaholic said:
I always wondered why nobody uses their rappel rope as a tether so you can have double use for this one fairly bulky item or is it just because nobody wants the long tail hanging down?
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I believe @Red Beard started using his oplux this way and carrying it in a bottle thing on his hip that allowed him to keep it in his pouch the whole time. No muddy rappel rope. No secondary tether. Etc. etc.
 
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gcr0003 said:
I believe @Redbeard started using his oplux this way and carrying it in a bottle thing on his hip that allowed him to keep it in his pouch the whole time. No muddy rappel rope. No secondary tether. Etc. etc.
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Squirrels said:
I have always used my rappel line as my tether. I just keep the excess rolled up in a pouch on my side.
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Nice I always thought if I did rappel I would go this route!!
 
Recurveaholic said:
I always wondered why nobody uses their rappel rope as a tether so you can have double use for this one fairly bulky item or is it just because nobody wants the long tail hanging down?
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I do just that. No need for the tail if you keep it in your bag and use what you need for the tether. I just pull it out when ready to rappel. It can serve triple duty too as your pull down rope if you're not super high up in the tree.
 
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Recurveaholic said:
Nice I always thought if I did rappel I would go this route!!
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I have 40ft of 7.5 sterling rit rope in my pants cargo pocket of my fire gear & can emergency rappel out of a window or lower a victim with it

It just deploys out as u go down

I think keeping srt rope in hip pouch is a good idea


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If you stow your rope properly in your pouch, you don't have to deploy the whole rope before rappelling. It will play out with no issue, and never touch the ground.

I find no advantage in fiddle factor using a separate tether over rappel line to go up, because the tag of rappel line is stowed properly.

There is not a significant difference between using multiple sticks and one stick when climbing a tree with branches. You're still doing all of the same fiddling, and you're carrying more crap in the woods. I have no desire to set up the test to prove it, but anyone can do this for themselves, and If you factor in ALL time and effort involved with using multiple sticks versus one(not just the climbing part, ALL), you'll see the difference is not material.

I'm glad people are adding nuance to the conversation and saying things like "it's a tool that has many good use cases" instead of "one sticking is too fiddly" and "one sticking is the answer all the time everything else is dumb".

I generally carry one stick because it is the answer for a vast majority of my hunting scenarios. And a large contributing factor to this is how proficient I've become with the tool.
 
Squirrels said:
I have always used my rappel line as my tether. I just keep the excess rolled up in a pouch on my side.
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This makes me want to try a safeguard or figure out a rope wrench setup. I'm using a separate tether with a normal friction hitch and a rappel rope with descender(non mechanical) / autoblock.
 
I like the idea of one sticking. If you add in the time to unpack and repack your sticks it’s probably about equal on climbing time. I’m rarely in a hurry on the way up but almost guaranteed to be rushed on the way down and rappelling excels there. That is If I got better at retrieving and storing rope.
 
Ontariofarmer said:
And with the EWO bag, biners, 40 feet Oplux and a prussic and delta link and safeguard it weighs 2.5 pounds.


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Yup...my mini with the scout platform, a doublestep, three step aider and 8' amsteel daisychain weighs 1lb 15 ounces.

So for under 5lbs I have my climbing system, platform and my way down.
 
I'd like to see more on that aider - I saw in the youtube comments about it being 1' webbing with weep hose. I'm working out one-sticking and the aider has been my most consistent need for improvement - I'm using a spare versa-lite strap knotted onto my bottom steps so it spreads, but I only have 1 step and want more reach.

I noticed you rappel with just the safe guard - you don't need an autoblock or anything else? I ordered a safe guard this morning after seeing this, because my previous plan (ATC plus autoblock) required more adjustment (slackening the tether to attach the ATC, risk of dropping it, etc) to my tether/rappel line than I was really happy with, also more room for whoops, if it didn't grab tight enough to stop me hands-free to remove my stick on the way down. Thanks for the very clear demo on it.

If you were to slip on loose bark, have a disastrous sneeze, whatever... and drop anything (including your stick), have you got a solution for retrieving it from height? I would think changing out the end of the doyles hoist for some kind of grapple hook would let you climb without your bow hooked, have the freedom to pick up anything else you might drop, then fish your bow up with it at height, and still use it like you do as a retrieval on the way down. Just a thought.

Really nice job.
 
kyler1945 said:
If you stow your rope properly in your pouch, you don't have to deploy the whole rope before rappelling. It will play out with no issue, and never touch the ground.

I find no advantage in fiddle factor using a separate tether over rappel line to go up, because the tag of rappel line is stowed properly.

There is not a significant difference between using multiple sticks and one stick when climbing a tree with branches. You're still doing all of the same fiddling, and you're carrying more crap in the woods. I have no desire to set up the test to prove it, but anyone can do this for themselves, and If you factor in ALL time and effort involved with using multiple sticks versus one(not just the climbing part, ALL), you'll see the difference is not material.

I'm glad people are adding nuance to the conversation and saying things like "it's a tool that has many good use cases" instead of "one sticking is too fiddly" and "one sticking is the answer all the time everything else is dumb".

I generally carry one stick because it is the answer for a vast majority of my hunting scenarios. And a large contributing factor to this is how proficient I've become with the tool.
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Proficient is a key word in your post. Little details make it work. Just like any other method


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JBDaddy said:
I'd like to see more on that aider - I saw in the youtube comments about it being 1' webbing with weep hose. I'm working out one-sticking and the aider has been my most consistent need for improvement - I'm using a spare versa-lite strap knotted onto my bottom steps so it spreads, but I only have 1 step and want more reach.

I noticed you rappel with just the safe guard - you don't need an autoblock or anything else? I ordered a safe guard this morning after seeing this, because my previous plan (ATC plus autoblock) required more adjustment (slackening the tether to attach the ATC, risk of dropping it, etc) to my tether/rappel line than I was really happy with, also more room for whoops, if it didn't grab tight enough to stop me hands-free to remove my stick on the way down. Thanks for the very clear demo on it.

If you were to slip on loose bark, have a disastrous sneeze, whatever... and drop anything (including your stick), have you got a solution for retrieving it from height? I would think changing out the end of the doyles hoist for some kind of grapple hook would let you climb without your bow hooked, have the freedom to pick up anything else you might drop, then fish your bow up with it at height, and still use it like you do as a retrieval on the way down. Just a thought.

Really nice job.
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A Doyle’s hoist and gear grappler will pick up a stick easily if you drop it


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bowhunter15 said:
I forgot to mention it in the video, but with that system you'd need to carry an extention for the gear hoist. Like a 10-15' piece of paracord to attach to the end as an extension before rappelling. The good thing is that you'd know from the climb up whether or not it would be needed. But at that point it also makes sense to look into a long piece of cordage from the get-go and just wind it up after. 9mm vs 8mm is a substantial difference. I actually prefer the 8 if I had the choice but didn't want to make a video with it and just the safeguard.

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I don’t use my rappel line as my tether. It’s Oplux and folds up into the size of a softball and weighs nothing so I just stow it and use my regular tether.

My rappel line is only 26’ long just because that’s what I had left over and my retractable line is only 18’. Rather than dealing with extensions I simply stop, tether in and pull my rappel line down to me and reset it then finish the rappel.
 
dalton916 said:
I don’t use my rappel line as my tether. It’s Oplux and folds up into the size of a softball and weighs nothing so I just stow it and use my regular tether.

My rappel line is only 26’ long just because that’s what I had left over and my retractable line is only 18’. Rather than dealing with extensions I simply stop, tether in and pull my rappel line down to me and reset it then finish the rappel.
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Look Dano, your next victim.
 
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