Simple SRT video

[bj139]

Seems like most ATCs are made for double rope. Will these work fine for single rope descents or should I look for single rope ATC? Thanks

The double ATCs are for people that loop the rope over the top anchor. After rapelling with two ropes, you can pull down one of the ends of the rope and recover your rope. You need twice the rope length. It will work fine for single rope descents.

 

[beej32]

Seems like most ATCs are made for double rope. Will these work fine for single rope descents or should I look for single rope ATC? Thanks

The "ATC Sport" version only takes a single rope and therefore half the width of the one pictured.

 

[weekender21]

Guys keep your auto block a ways away from your belay device! If the hitch jams up next to or in it - one of two things is gonna happen. You’ll either get stuck and have real difficulty getting it loose(not likely) or it will jam up against it and you will he flying to the ground with no way to stop!

I’d keep at least 8-10” between the two devices when your brake line is tight.

They call it extended belay - you want your belay about face height for rappel - unlike when you’re climbing up on SRT where you want the device closer to your waist to get a longer stroke each time you step up. This is when it’s good to have an adjustable bridge or two bridges. A 30cm climbing sling works great as a short bridge, weighs nothing, and packs easy.

Most of your normal bridge lengths will keep the belay device far enough from your auto block. But in the picture above it’s too close for comfort!

I’ve run it both ways, even above the belay device. The method pictured works the best for my setup, the 7-8 inches separating belay and autoblock is plenty. I’ve tried to get them together on purpose unsuccessfully.

You could easily use a longer bridge but the sterling loop I use for ascent also works awesome on rappel.

The picture is probably a little deceiving as I’m standing on the ground.


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[weekender21]

@weekender21 , a couple of questions.
1. What belay device is this and what is the white cable (red arrow in pic below)
2. this is the sterling hollow block 13.5" attached to your tag end, correct? (purple arrows below)


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Red arrow is part of the ATC. The one pictured is a Petzl but they all work the same.

Yes, sterling hollowblock.

The tan loop is my Tethrd Mantis lineman’s loop attached to a locking carabiner. The carabiner runs double duty attached to my tether while hunting.


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[Red Beard]

@okccj Doesn't matter whether your ATC is double or single for SRT. If you're purchasing one, go ahead get a double (you'll only use one side of it in SRT). By getting a Sport, you're limiting future usage if you decide to try DRT.

 

[bj139]

With a 50 foot length of rope and a double ATC you can rappel down the double ropes from 25 feet up then simply pull one end of the rope to get it down.
I have the ATC Guide model which has an additional lockdown mode.

 

[Sandor27]

Also depending on the rope, there may not be enough friction with a single ATC, so with the double you have the option of running a second loop around your biner through the ATC. My Teufelberger KMiii 9.5mm rope is too slick to rappel on a single side of my ATC. I need to double it and use both sides.

 

[okccj]

Also depending on the rope, there may not be enough friction with a single ATC, so with the double you have the option of running a second loop around your biner through the ATC. My Teufelberger KMiii 9.5mm rope is too slick to rappel on a single side of my ATC. I need to double it and use both sides.

If you get a chance could post a picture of running the second loop around the carabiner and through a double ATC. Thanks.

By the way, you guys are awesome. Never a shortage of answers and a wealth of information. Between using a saddle and now "climbing" trees with ropes, I feel like bowhunting has kind of evolved into some strange hybrid activity. This is a blast.

 

[Sandor27]

Single rope typical rigging:



Single rope double rigged to increase friction.


YMMV. Need to test your rope, your weight, your ATC. Do this from a stepstool so your failures don't hurt.

BTW - this is 1/2" braided dock line for my boat, not my climbing rope....

 

[bj139]

Single rope typical rigging:

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Single rope double rigged to increase friction.
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YMMV. Need to test your rope, your weight, your ATC. Do this from a stepstool so your failures don't hurt.

BTW - this is 1/2" braided dock line for my boat, not my climbing rope....

Thanks for posting this. I had forgotten. Knowledge is more important than equipment. This makes single line rappelling with my 8mm rope more enjoyable. I do not have to hang on the belay end for dear life. I just tried it from my pullup bar even without a prusik.
How about a dual position bridge on a sit drag?

 

[okccj]

One thing I'm finding in my first couple of attempts is that I don't feel comfortable stepping up with foot loop. I was able to easily ascend the tree with just using the hand ascender and pulling down with the tag end of the rope. Do you think the acting of stepping up with the foot loop will become more natural or should I ditch it?
Also, when climbing a leaning tree, should I be trying to ascend the side that leans towards me or away from me?

 

[Tapeworm]

Thanks for posting this. I had forgotten. Knowledge is more important than equipment. This makes single line rappelling with my 8mm rope more enjoyable. I do not have to hang on the belay end for dear life. I just tried it from my pullup bar even without a prusik.
How about a dual position bridge on a sit drag?

Some guys make an adjustable whoopie sling to use

Extend while hunting and shorten for rappelling


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[Y-old man]

How bout I just blow all of your minds and show you this little nugget I just found that might replace the hand ascender and save a lot of money

Have you tried climbing with this method? If so, what are your thoughts?

 

[Country]

One thing I'm finding in my first couple of attempts is that I don't feel comfortable stepping up with foot loop. I was able to easily ascend the tree with just using the hand ascender and pulling down with the tag end of the rope. Do you think the acting of stepping up with the foot loop will become more natural or should I ditch it?
Also, when climbing a leaning tree, should I be trying to ascend the side that leans towards me or away from me?

After the first couple of attempts, I realized I wasn't using the foot aider to it's fullest potential. I found that when I focused on keeping my aider foot directly underneath me and not in front of me while focusing on using both hands AND my foot to ascend the rope, it made it so much easier. It especially helped when I consciously thought about using my foot to stand up. I know what you mean though...it does feel like it works without it, but once I got the technique of using the foot aider down, it helped a LOT.