Single stick cam cleat or cam buckle

[Ontariofarmer]

A cam cleat takes seconds to attach or remove.


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[boyne bowhunter]

I love my Harken 150 cam cleat. It made the difference for me between one sticking being a marginal climbing method and my absolutely preferred method for climbing.

 

[KYRanger]

I believe the original poster may have asked for opinions. I was actually looking for quantitative data with regards to the efficiency of the cam cleat.

A cam cleat is recommended in probably 99% of post I’ve seen on various social media outlets, however I’ve never seen it supported with real data. Could someone using a cam cleat give me some comparison data showing where it out performs other methods?

I’m not in support of any method just wondering why the cam cleat is better than all other methods.

I see your point, and I am sure someone has put a stop watch to it. But I think its more than just time. Its the effort and motions required. The cam cleat can be undone with one hand and the stick moved up while the other hand grabs the rope around the tree. This can be done from a slightly tilted downward position. Although I don't use a cam buckle for a one stick, I have used them plenty on sticks, ladders, stands, etc. It's pretty much a two handed process. And I don't see it being removed from the one stick tilting over and loosening it with one hand. You would likely need to be sitting in line with the strap so both hands could be used. If so, your movements up the tree are short, thus likely requiring more movements. This may be fine for some.

Maybe someone is very good with the cam buckle and can do it just as quickly and efficiently as the cam cleat. I just haven't seen it, nor can I operate the cam buckle nearly as efficient as the cam cleat.

 

[BTaylor]

I see your point, and I am sure someone has put a stop watch to it. But I think its more than just time. Its the effort and motions required. The cam cleat can be undone with one hand and the stick moved up while the other hand grabs the rope around the tree. This can be done from a slightly tilted downward position. Although I don't use a cam buckle for a one stick, I have used them plenty on sticks, ladders, stands, etc. It's pretty much a two handed process. And I don't see it being removed from the one stick tilting over and loosening it with one hand. You would likely need to be sitting in line with the strap so both hands could be used. If so, your movements up the tree are short, thus likely requiring more movements. This may be fine for some.

Maybe someone is very good with the cam buckle and can do it just as quickly and efficiently as the cam cleat. I just haven't seen it, nor can I operate the cam buckle nearly as efficient as the cam cleat.

@Cbigbear is plenty efficient with the cam strap. I use a button and amsteel daisy chain because I absolutely hated the strap that came on the original helium sticks. No data to back this up but my perception is there seems less opportunity for failure with either the cam strap or a button and daisy chain than with the cam cleat. But the cleat does look easy to use and efficient.

 

[colin.704]

I wouldn't 1 stick if I had to use a buckle. If you want to make something simple difficult, by all means go for it, post a video if you want. I am always looking for easier ways to climb, and my opinions are proven wrong a few times a season thanks to this forum. that's what it's here for, so we can see what people are coming up with. I might say it's stupid, but that's still how we learn, trying things. still, i'd go with the cam cleat lol

 

[Cbigbear]

I see your point, and I am sure someone has put a stop watch to it. But I think its more than just time. Its the effort and motions required. The cam cleat can be undone with one hand and the stick moved up while the other hand grabs the rope around the tree. This can be done from a slightly tilted downward position. Although I don't use a cam buckle for a one stick, I have used them plenty on sticks, ladders, stands, etc. It's pretty much a two handed process. And I don't see it being removed from the one stick tilting over and loosening it with one hand. You would likely need to be sitting in line with the strap so both hands could be used. If so, your movements up the tree are short, thus likely requiring more movements. This may be fine for some.

Maybe someone is very good with the cam buckle and can do it just as quickly and efficiently as the cam cleat. I just haven't seen it, nor can I operate the cam buckle nearly as efficient as the cam cleat.

I can’t seem to find a video of one sticking with a cam cleat that doesn’t explain the routine or fast forward the climb so it’s hard to get an apples to apples comparison.
This is a normal hunting situation climb with a cam buckle. The Tethrd One does not like this tree it barks every move!!!

 

[MBH]

thanks for the info. been using the cam cleat just tucking the tag end under rope around tree like a trucker hitch. very easy to remove