this pack is a mule. can hardly tell but the pack in these pics is the same pack. carrying out loc on, heavy muddy sticks, feeder, sons safety rope, etc. I bought mine on ebay a couple years ago and use it exclusively for packing in/out these season long sets, 100# loads of yellow acorns, etc. If your interested in any trades I would love to have a backup. No longer spending cash on hunting gear (travel ball season, priorities change until September). Either way good luck with the sell. Great pack for heavy loads for sure