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Solve a riddle

kyler1945

kyler1945

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Bow set up for girl. 28” draw. Roughly 35-40lb draw weight.

I shoot 30” draw. I set the bow up, sighted it in at 10/20/30. Getting her set up, she consistently hits 6-8” higher than me.

I attempted to move my head forwards and backwards dramatically relative to the peep sight. No change in POI for me. Same for her.

I tried short drawing or long drawing because the bow doesn’t have a draw stop. Same for her. No major change in the delta between our POI’s.

explain to me how an eyeball, lining up four points(target/pin/peep/eye),with each of those points equidistant, with experiment done changing variables to remove margin of error as the the issue, will see two completely different things?

I’ve confirmed she is holding the pin over the bullseye, as am I. No difference in aiming style.

I’m thoroughly confused.
 
Mts may be on to something.. watch her shoot. Is she still straining to pull it back? Is she lifting the bow slightly as she releases trying to hold it?
 
Whoa, whoa, whoa, guys. I have never met this girl. I clearly stated my position. I said Kyle had no business drawing that bow.
Proceed.

**EDIT** because he wears skinny pants

**EDIT#2** and CLEARLY I have the authority to challenge one’s masculinity as I currently sit in my recliner (with my hair in a high pony tail) during prime shooting time on a clear, cold day instead of being of being in the woods.

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My son has a draw length 2" less than mine and is set for half my draw weight. When I shoot his, I'm grouping about a 3" circle but about 6" low compared to him. No idea why except that I'm holding it differently so it's less about where you're hitting and more about consistency.

Edit: In short, don't sight it in for you but for her.
 
It’s sighted in for her. So the situation is reversed - I hit low with her pins.

if it’s her “form” it’s consistent across 300+ shots. What about “form” can make you hit 6” higher than me with all other variables constant?

What can I change about my grip, or anchor, or whatever, that would change my POI at 20 yards by 6”?

I’m not wanting us to hit the same place. I’m trying to solve a math problem. Not looking for advice on how to remedy either of our shooting techniques. I’m trying to apply the laws of physics to an experiment.

I know it’s something dumb.

I tried sitting on the ground to see if me being 6” taller than her would change trajectory. I still hit 6” lower than her.
 
MNFarmHunter said:
My son has a draw length 2" less than mine and is set for half my draw weight. When I shoot his, I'm grouping about a 3" circle but about 6" low compared to him. No idea why except that I'm holding it differently so it's less about where you're hitting and more about consistency.

Edit: In short, don't sight it in for you but for her.
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We both consistently shoot 3” groups at 20 yards. She hits 6” higher than me with same pin. It’s been repeated over hundreds of shots. Consistency isn’t the issue.
 
kyler1945 said:
Bow set up for girl. 28” draw. Roughly 35-40lb draw weight.

I shoot 30” draw. I set the bow up, sighted it in at 10/20/30. Getting her set up, she consistently hits 6-8” higher than me.

I attempted to move my head forwards and backwards dramatically relative to the peep sight. No change in POI for me. Same for her.

I tried short drawing or long drawing because the bow doesn’t have a draw stop. Same for her. No major change in the delta between our POI’s.

explain to me how an eyeball, lining up four points(target/pin/peep/eye),with each of those points equidistant, with experiment done changing variables to remove margin of error as the the issue, will see two completely different things?

I’ve confirmed she is holding the pin over the bullseye, as am I. No difference in aiming style.

I’m thoroughly confused.
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I’m guessing there’s a difference in height between your eyes and the nock point. This will affect the elevation of the shot.


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My guess is because you are larger and longer face when you draw your release is angled up and when releasing with you your top cam kicks down and bottom cam back throwing the arrow down vs her fitting correctly releases level. Truly it just sounds like she is a better shot than you....
 
kyler1945 said:
Bow set up for girl. 28” draw. Roughly 35-40lb draw weight.

I shoot 30” draw. I set the bow up, sighted it in at 10/20/30. Getting her set up, she consistently hits 6-8” higher than me.

I attempted to move my head forwards and backwards dramatically relative to the peep sight. No change in POI for me. Same for her.

I tried short drawing or long drawing because the bow doesn’t have a draw stop. Same for her. No major change in the delta between our POI’s.

explain to me how an eyeball, lining up four points(target/pin/peep/eye),with each of those points equidistant, with experiment done changing variables to remove margin of error as the the issue, will see two completely different things?

I’ve confirmed she is holding the pin over the bullseye, as am I. No difference in aiming style.

I’m thoroughly confused.
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Do you and her have same vertical distance from eyeball to kisser button? If the peep sight was set up for her facial dimensions, it might be off compared to your facial dimensions.

How that may affect things, I don’t know. Maybe consistently difference with anchor points or line of sight from eyeball to peep sight.

Just a thought.
 
sdoyle1 said:
I’m guessing there’s a difference in height between your eyes and the nock point. This will affect the elevation of the shot.


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I tried moving my head up and down and closer and farther away from the peep. By inches. My POI didn’t change significantly.
 
Wrist position perhaps ? I tried a few different grips on my Mathews. Low and high wrist and get height differences. My girl shoots a little lower then me with the same bow. She has a different grip. Arms, shoulder , head positions are all good. Just her wrist/grip angle. our windage remains the same.
 
RamBam said:
Wrist position perhaps ? I tried a few different grips on my Mathews. Low and high wrist and get height differences. My girl shoots a little lower then me with the same bow. She has a different grip. Arms, shoulder , head positions are all good. Just her wrist/grip angle. our windage remains the same.
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currently we’re defying basic geometry and the laws of physics.

so my leading guess is how the bow responds to her grip hand on the shot versus mine. I’ll try this out and see if I can manipulate it to the degree we’re seeing right now.

not much confuses me with bows, it’s all math. I know I’m missing something silly.
 
She's focused on a different bullseye than you are....
All kidding aside I vote grip.
 
Vtbow said:
She's focused on a different bullseye than you are....
All kidding aside I vote grip.
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it highlighted a really interesting thing - you can never actually see what another human sees. Because we don’t actually see anything. We just make up stuff in our head. Trust me it was a fun conversation trying to confirm we aimed same way at same thing.
 
I hope I don’t sound dumb…. Is she centering pins with the peep instead of centering sight ring with peep?
 
kyler1945 said:
it highlighted a really interesting thing - you can never actually see what another human sees. Because we don’t actually see anything. We just make up stuff in our head. Trust me it was a fun conversation trying to confirm we aimed same way at same thing.
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Agreed 100%.
 
I think she has shorter arms so lining up the peep is a steeper line although you can hardly perceive it.
It doesn't take much to significantly impact the angle of departure.

Thats my take but in my defense I just got in from work and have not had my first cocktail.
 
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