Someone Invent/Manufacture This For Me.

[Hunter260]

Okay so here’s my idea. It’s a one stick with a platform on top and a larger platform that can attach to the bottom and then you can use the top platform as a seat.

Wait, I mean it’s a hang on stand. No no no don’t leave yet I’m not finished.

So let’s say I had like a 22” one stick with a flip up platform on top that you could climb with, and at height pull up the platform and attach to make a small hang on. The OOAL lil Ambush is similar to my idea here. A guy would use something like the xop renegade hybrid saddle/harnes with it. I think saddle huntings peak advantage is being able to forgo carrying 4 climbing sticks into the woods. Could we figure out how to do this with a hang on stand too?

 

[LeanMachine]

I see what you are saying, but imo size is the problem. It takes a decent size seat to be comfortable. And then you need a decent size platform to get feet out from under seat.

I'd recommend just one sticking, if that is your jam, and then just carry a small hang on on your back or pull it up on a rope after you are at height. I went hardcore saddle only for 2 or 3 years and then I bought a m7 micro lite. Sure enjoy hunting out of that thing when the situation dictates.

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[tarafrost]

I think saddle huntings peak advantage is being able to forgo carrying 4 climbing sticks into the woods.

I think saddle hunting has a lot of other advantages over a tree stand:

- It's safer
- It's lighter
- You can use the tree between you and the game

Many people saddle hunt with 3-4 sticks. Not everyone 1-sticks.

With your proposed device (a smaller stand basically), you would still need a harness/saddle....so why bother with the stand?

And if you want to use a stand, you could still one-stick up the tree with it, assuming it was light enough that you'ld want to haul it up the tree that way. Use a rock climbing harness instead of a saddle.

I don't see the point of such a "frankenstein" device.

 

[kyler1945]

Climbing methods and their pros and cons have nothing to do with saddles. Saddles are what you use to sit in when you get up there.

 

[Hunter260]

Climbing methods and their pros and cons have nothing to do with saddles. Saddles are what you use to sit in when you get up there.

Yea but I don’t know of anyone who one sticks with a tree stand and regular harness.

 

[kyler1945]

Yea but I don’t know of anyone who one sticks with a tree stand and regular harness.

plenty of people one stick with a stand.

plenty of people one stick with a climbing harness.

odds are you never know about one stick climbing without a person in both of those groups.

 

[kyler1945]

Yea but I don’t know of anyone who one sticks with a tree stand and regular harness.

mainly pointing out that you can separate what you sit in, or climb in, from what you climb “on”. Folks seems to conflate them all the time and create confusion.

outside of lineman’s loops, a hunting saddle offers no real advantage, and a few draw backs, for climbing.

 

[thedutchtouch]

I had an idea somewhat like this, but decided the fiddle factor was way too high. Involved a rotating "gate" on the back of the platform to attach it to the already hung stick, there ended up being too many different moving pieces that were structural/ weight bearing so I don't trust my manufacturing skills. It was somewhat a combo of a loc on stand and a stick.

 

[Hunter260]

I had an idea somewhat like this, but decided the fiddle factor was way too high. Involved a rotating "gate" on the back of the platform to attach it to the already hung stick, there ended up being too many different moving pieces that were structural/ weight bearing so I don't trust my manufacturing skills. It was somewhat a combo of a loc on stand and a stick.

Yea! That’s exactly what I’m thinkin. I agree it’s probably too much fiddle factor

 

[MattMan81]

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[thedutchtouch]

Yea! That’s exactly what I’m thinkin. I agree it’s probably too much fiddle factor

Apparently muddy makes a decently light lock on, but what I just said is the extent of my knowledge about it. It may be easier to do on the bottom of a stick, my initial idea was to make the top of a one stick small for climbing but then add a nice big platform like the mission for hunting height.

 

[UPSman15]

When it comes to seat size/comfort.. let’s be honest. How long do you stay seated before you decide to stand for a little while and then vice versa. It’s all just relieving the other unless your in there for an all day hunt and even then, there’s a point that you can be small enough seat wise that you can still sit comfortably for 20 minutes and then stand for 20. If I’m standing up.. I’m more alert. If I’m sitting.. I may doze off

 

[Patriot]

Similarly I have envisioned a very light and cheap seat. Imagine basically a flip up and down bike seat in front of you on the tree. Attach with strap, flip down, sit and straddle the tree.

if needs to be light - comfortable and like $39 and it would sell.

 

[beenhunting]

You could carry a predator platform and set it below and to the side of a one stick with a seat / small platform on top. Then just sit side saddle on top of the one stick with your feet on the predator.

 

[mtsrunner]

Similarly I have envisioned a very light and cheap seat. Imagine basically a flip up and down bike seat in front of you on the tree. Attach with strap, flip down, sit and straddle the tree.

if needs to be light - comfortable and like $39 and it would sell.

I agree. This would be useful. I have the rut roost from OOAL and I really like it, but I would prefer a lighter version. I going to ask Matt if he would consider making such a product. If he doesn’t think he can make it lighter and still be rated for using at hunting height, I think it would still be viable as a ground level seat. He could market it as a turkey seat that keeps the tree between you and the bird. Call it the roost roost. (I would still use it at height because I would be tethered in with no slack).

*edit. Just sent the request to Matt. Please chime in if anyone has ideas for improvement. I add a couple of layers of padding to mine (cut down Thermarest Z-Lite Sol pad)


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[Plebe]

I see what you are saying, but imo size is the problem. It takes a decent size seat to be comfortable. And then you need a decent size platform to get feet out from under seat.

I'd recommend just one sticking, if that is your jam, and then just carry a small hang on on your back or pull it up on a rope after you are at height. I went hardcore saddle only for 2 or 3 years and then I bought a m7 micro lite. Sure enjoy hunting out of that thing when the situation dictates.

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Folks have been using sticks with Lone Wolf seats as platforms for quite some time. I've even seen where a Hawk tree seat was used atop a stick.

But that's added no efficiency to one stick climbing...with the seat's usual configuration of folding up so the steps are usuable on the stick without having to work around a big seat sticking way out. The seat is there as a platform at height, not a climbing aid.

So I agree with the presented problem.

And then, a big platform is going to need some sort of support system away from the tree, typically cables...or amsteel

And how to make it secure enough at the post to avoid noise when weight is shifted.

I understand OP's want. Hang on utility, with climbing capability and in a package with all component efficiency.

But, you probably end up with lots of little steps to prep the system at height, which to me bogs efficiency down, as well as a 1-stick that is more awkward than something simpler for ascending.

Unless the design is brilliant, I can't see beating a simple lightweight stick & aider with a .5 style stand for the intended outcome....or a lightweight climber style ascending aid and hang on...or no sticking and using a hang on, etc.

 

[Plebe]

Similarly I have envisioned a very light and cheap seat. Imagine basically a flip up and down bike seat in front of you on the tree. Attach with strap, flip down, sit and straddle the tree.

if needs to be light - comfortable and like $39 and it would sell.

I can't imagine a bike seat being more comfortable to sit on than sitting in a saddle. Is the concept knee relief?
I'd think a ROS and just straddling the tree would be better, no?

 

[mtsrunner]

I can't imagine a bike seat being more comfortable to sit on than sitting in a saddle. Is the concept knee relief?
I'd think a ROS and just straddling the tree would be better, no?

Not sure about a bike seat, but the OOAL Rut Roost with some padding is very comfortable. I think something in between a bike seat and Rut Roost would be great.
It’s all a series of trade-offs. Straddling a tree with a ROS is ok, unless the tree is cold and wet. Then it sucks. A JX3 solves a lot of these issues, but it’s not perfect, either. I like the modular approach and the roost fits that bill nicely, I just want it smaller and lighter.


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[kyler1945]

Not sure about a bike seat, but the OOAL Rut Roost with some padding is very comfortable. I think something in between a bike seat and Rut Roost would be great.
It’s all a series of trade-offs. Straddling a tree with a ROS is ok, unless the tree is cold and wet. Then it sucks. A JX3 solves a lot of these issues, but it’s not perfect, either. I like the modular approach and the roost fits that bill nicely, I just want it smaller and lighter.


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If you have the means to have multiple setups, picking nits on the hybrid makes sense. There’s specific circumstances that other types of setups might perform better or allow more versatility, whatever that means. But across time, and averaged across all scenarios, if forced to pick one setup, it’s the hybrid. Great is the enemy of good if you’re limited to one setup.

unless you’re under 5’6, or don’t have 3-4 hours in offseason to dial in a couple of very simple things about it, it makes more sense than any other setup. Even the “lightweight mobile” setup. Even the heavier new version.

All that aside - I have a way to attach a platform to top of a post I messed with. Basically capturing the post with flat edges on all four sides in a hole in platform. (Think a square of angle iron, with the flat against the post on all four sides) A tight fit(just tight enough to make sliding it on post easy), with a pin to capture it. Any pressure will bind the rollers opposite each other and it won’t move. I gave up on idea when I met the hybrid. But it’s a simple connection. It also works upside down, so long as the pin is there to capture it while it’s unloaded.

you’re limited on size obviously without cables to support the front edge of the platform. But I bet you could make ut 12-16” deep.

 

[Plebe]

Not sure about a bike seat, but the OOAL Rut Roost with some padding is very comfortable. I think something in between a bike seat and Rut Roost would be great.
It’s all a series of trade-offs. Straddling a tree with a ROS is ok, unless the tree is cold and wet. Then it sucks. A JX3 solves a lot of these issues, but it’s not perfect, either. I like the modular approach and the roost fits that bill nicely, I just want it smaller and lighter.


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Don't get me wrong, I think the Rut Roost is nifty enough. I just can't see it being very effective if downsized too much. But thats just me and I haven't any experience with it.

I know last time I rode a bike with my nephews I was quite uncomfortable before long....and then there's those who ride all day every day like they're in the tour de'france and love it. I guess there's bicycle seat shape, same as saddle shape is talked about.