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Tax Avoidance

Number 4 has me questioning. I have never or have I ever been asked from a stranger about a "hot spot" at a WMA parking lot. However, I am amazed at what complete strangers offer up.......number of deer seen, where they were seen, bucks seen, big bucks seen etc. Mind blowing really. Maybe I am a ****, but my response is always the same, I didn't see any, I didn't hear any, this place has no deer, that story never changes even if saw 10 booners and had 2 dead ones behind a tree 50 yards away. You have to be careful with number 4 and giving advice. I hunt with nephew # 1 a lot, last year nephew #3 (brothers) started hunting more and asked for some spots. We freely pointed him in the right direction, next thing we know nephew #3 is hitting our spots with a college buddy, future brother in-law, future father in-law and some other dude we never could figure out where he came from.

Yep. I used to have the same problem, got really tired of it and now offer zero help to anyone. Sent a good friend into a spot once because I was done for the year and now he acts like I’m doing him wrong when I try to go to the spot I told him about.


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I’ll second the info people give on WMA land….like dude you worked hard or your friend worked hard for that. Now I’m gonna go kill your buck .

And as far as property lines, I have a stand in PA, on a stone wall break, I saddle hunt it. It’s just on our property by feet. The owner next door purple painted the tree I climb. Called the fish and game they came out verified via GPS and plot plan it’s on my land and he got threatened to be fined for posting property that wasn’t his. He’s mad cuz we kill deer every year there as they cross onto our land and he has a stand 100 yards away and don’t shoot nothin haha. Perfectly legal tho!
 
I’m not afraid to give good intel to folks about public land, but it won’t be about areas I plan to come back to for sure. I move around a LOT so I hunt some areas that are really good, but just don’t fit into my plans.

It helps a lot that my job puts me on public land quite a bit.
 
I’m not afraid to give good intel to folks about public land, but it won’t be about areas I plan to come back to for sure. I move around a LOT so I hunt some areas that are really good, but just don’t fit into my plans.

It helps a lot that my job puts me on public land quite a bit.
And how would a Biology degree holder get a job like that?

Asking for a friend
 
And as far as property lines, I have a stand in PA, on a stone wall break, I saddle hunt it. It’s just on our property by feet. The owner next door purple painted the tree I climb. Called the fish and game they came out verified via GPS and plot plan it’s on my land and he got threatened to be fined for posting property that wasn’t his. He’s mad cuz we kill deer every year there as they cross onto our land and he has a stand 100 yards away and don’t shoot nothin haha. Perfectly legal tho!

Yea, I don’t like that he painted your tree, especially if he didn’t talk to you beforehand.

You’re within your legal rights, sure. Got to say though, these scenarios can get ugly fast. I mean, no reason he can’t have an army of hunters feet from the line cutting you off.

Sounds like he’s maybe not such an a-hole as folks I’ve hunted around.
 
I’m not afraid to give good intel to folks about public land, but it won’t be about areas I plan to come back to for sure. I move around a LOT so I hunt some areas that are really good, but just don’t fit into my plans.

Being cordial can pay dividends when the person you chatted with ends up crossing paths with you in the woods. Key word “can”, some folks will set up on you no matter what. Sometimes, a friendly conversation helps prevent those scenarios outright.

I had a chat with a nice guy while heading out for a hunt in MI. He asked where I was hunting and the conversation took off from there. He said I was set up good and that he had done well in the area I was going to, but his group had a few nice bucks on cameras in some swamp (which he pointed out) and were hunting there. He told me what size deer to expect in the area and seemed to have a bead on what other hunters were up to.

I saw 5 bucks that hunt, including one I think would have been 130-140, and I harvested one of those bucks. Later in the season I took another buck there, in what remains one of my most exciting hunts. Never saw another hunter or sign of one in the area. The intel was good and I kept out of his spot. Hope he scored on his target deer.

I’m not giving handouts to other hunters, but I’m happy to see others succeed and to work together so everyone can enjoy their time outdoors.

It’s not just my sport, and the King’s Deer attitude I see from some “trophy hunters” who think they own every deer in the woods is a huge detriment to the future of hunting in the US.

I try and respect other hunters and their time, but anticipate many afield are total sheisters.
 
I used to believe in subterfuge. I don't anymore. All I can say is try not being a **** for 2 seasons. Be honest and helpful and cooperative.

Most people greatly overestimate themselves and assign too much weight to the value they bring to a partnership and not enough to the value others bring. Most people also underestimate both the intelligence and goodwill of others.

Life as a social animal gets easier when you're social.

I generally keep to myself and just avoid other folks on public land. On last year's elk/mule deer hunt I was 15 miles from the trailhead by atv. I hunted three days and planned to come out right before that blizzard that rolled through. A couple on a bike pulled up, and instead of hiding in the bushes, I decided to say hello. They were scouting for first rifle elk. After chatting for 15-20 minutes, and slowly getting information flowing back and forth, I did something else I rarely do. I exchanged information with them.

Fast forward to about 12 hours before that storm hit. I pack camp, load up bike, and it won't start. Two hours later, I realize I'm in a pretty good pickle. My crew is not due in till after the storm, I have no food or clothes for it, and there's no way I'm hiking out before it hits. I sent them a text that told them to head out immediately upon arrival that I'd be somewhere on the trail between TH and where we hunt. I decided to text the fella I met earlier in the hunt. He left work, drove out there, and scooped me up. Life saver.

We got back to town and I bought he and his wife dinner and beers. We got to chatting, and next thing you know I'm set up on some giant mule deer. Couldn't close the deal. I offered up information on where we got on elk, and he was able to get a shot at one the last day of bow season (no recovery). And his wife had a few opportunities she passed on during the rifle.

I probably wouldn't have died. But it would have been real interesting riding out a storm dumping 16" of snow in a floorless shelter with clothes designed for 50 degrees with no food for two days until my crew arrived. Instead, I made new friends, got new spots to hunt, and expanded hunting opportunities going forward.


Say hello to people. Look them in the eye. Exchange contact information. You can be mistrusting of other people while keeping them close to you. Plus, you're not that good of a hunter. Trust me. You can still learn something, and you just might make a friend. Which, as an adult, is one of the weirdest things to try to accomplish.
 
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For whatever reason, I'm feeling remarkably less secretive than usual. Maybe 20 deer in 2 years has scratched finally scratched an itch and I'm settling down. I dunno. But for whatever reason it seems sillier and sillier to play cards close to my chest. These aren't game changers, but they're still things I've rarely or never said. Some of them are sort of considered under-handed or even unethical by some of my friends. Personally, I would compare it to tax avoidance vs tax evasion. One is good sense, one will get you arrested.

Disclaimer: know your local laws, ask clarifying questions of enforcement when in doubt, and don't be an outlaw. "Nutterbuster does it" aint gonna help you (or me) if you get caught!

1. I kill a lot of deer by hunting property lines. First thing I do on a new piece of ground is walk any easy roads/trails and the property lines. One, a lot of people are not confident enough to know they are on the right side of the line, so they don't hunt near a property line. Two, some people have a feeling that it's "rude." Three, property lines are usually an edge (pines next to hardwoods, clearcut next to timber, etc), and we all know deer relate to edges. Relatively low pressure edge habitat is almost always worth considering. Also, there are usually "objects of interest" somewhere just on the other side of a property line. I have hunted 100-200 yards off the backside of many food plots quite legally, and shot deer that had corn in their bellies that I imagine they didn't find on the WMA.

I will say if you do this you need to "carry enough gun" and take high-margin shots. Especially if crossing a property line to recover a deer is illegal in your area.

2. "Corner hopping" is another strategy I strongly encourage if it's legal in your area and you have the opportunity. Access is access. I have a local parcel that isn't exactly unhunted because it's only accessible by hopping, but it gets markedly less pressure than it would if there was clear access. Also, for some reason if there is 50k acres on one side of a road or stream, and 10 on the other, very often people will somehow forget about that tiny sliver. The deer usually figure that out in my experience.

3. In Alabama, you are not allowed to shine for deer at night, even if you are unarmed, which really sucks. However, I have been stopped by the law many times walking back to my truck with a headlamp and have never been accused of spotlighting. I am not above walking in or out in the dark through an area I would like to do recon on. I get to my spots very early and leave very late, not just to beat the crowd but to do a little snooping on the way in. If eyes happen to cross my path, that is just good fortune. It is also perfectly legal to use a light for coon hunting, running catfish lines, and frog gigging, and I enjoy all activities year round. When I'm feeling healthy and want a bike ride or a good run, I'm definitely not going to walk on the neighborhood sidewalk either. It goes without saying that shooting deer with a spotlight is illegal and generally regarded as immoral. Noticing a deer and deciding to wait around for it to lighten up and see if it's still there...

4. Be selfishly altruistic. Asking a stranger where a good is a good place to hunt on the WMA he hunts is an exercise in futility. Asking a guy who you just loaned an air pump to so he could pump up a flat and limp home, or a guy who you offered to do a euro mount for...that's a whole nuther ball game. This isn't really a deep thought, but it surprises me how many people are standoffish, shy, or downright hostile at the check-in station.

Similarly, asking for permission from random strangers to carry a weapon on their property is generally fruitless. Asking the guy who sits next to you at church is a much better strategy.

5. In Alabama, there are thousands of acres of land that are boat-access only. And I do mean boat. Canoes and kayaks and even chest waders will get you many places, but you aren't making a 7 mile run down a big river in those tools. Boats are a huge barrier to entry, and every one I've bought has been a stretch for me, but it means I get to hunt areas that maybe 10% of the general hunting population can/will access. If you hunt in Alabama, buy a boat. I have slowly gotten to the point where probably 80% of my hunting is done by boat.

6. Alabama and most other states publish harvest records. If you're not reading them every year and figuring out what that information means for you, you're really missing out. My success rates increased exponentially when I started hunting the counties where the deer were dying.

7. PRESSURE IS GOOD IF THE DEER ARE THERE. I met one of my wife's younger (maybe 19) cousins out duck hunting last year. He decided to see if family ties would get him some hunting intel (see #4) and asked if I minded sharing a spot or two. I told him I killed most of my ducks in a little pond off a creek 100 yards from the check-in board. "Right by the canoe launch?" he asked incredulously, thinking I was brushing him off. "That place gets hunted to death!"

Sure it does. Because ducks fly that corridor every morning. If you can get 150 yards off the nearest gun and work a jerk rig without looking up and catching a falling pellet in the eye, you can kill a limit before the fog clears off the water. Or you can find a remote pond that never gets visited by hunters or ducks and have it all to yourself. Your call.

Same for deer. I've had some very frustrating but fruitful hunts on gun-deer weekends on popular WMAs. You need some prior planning, thick skin, and a bit of luck, but the horde descending on deer means they'll be on their feet until they can work out the safe zones. If you're sitting in one, the action can be stellar.

8. In Alabama, we have "technicians" that work for the DCNR. They aren't biologists or wardens; just the guys who maintain the roads, plant the plots, and do a lot of the hands-on grunt work. I have found that they are hands-down the best source of info on where critters are on the properties they manage. They are also generally happy to take a break and shoot the breeze. I've been straight-up told "sit here" by them, and I've also been privy to information such as which parcels are getting burned or which plots are getting planted next year, which is helpful.

There ya go. Maybe it helps, or maybe you just think less of me. Maybe all my hunting will be ruined now that I'm spilling beans.

If you're a saddlehunter.com member from Alabama, hit me up. I may have more secrets I wish to confess in the name of selfish altruism.
My goodness!! What wisdom has fallen at my feet!?!

Thank you sir, and kindest regards!
 
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