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traditional bow quivers

prefer that model simply for looks. I can get a pic of foam this evening. You cut your own slots in the foam. I do like the round arrow holder that keeps arrows compact versus the flat ones though.
Don’t worry about the pic of the bottom, was more curious if they were pretty cut
 
One thing to note about quivers and this is probably as good a thread as any to mention it. According to all the calculators my new bow should be shooting 400s which ended up being not stiff enough so I bought 350s and still not stiff enough but much closer. I have read all over that there is a split of people that think quivers change a bow and how it shoots and they recommend against it and others that say as long as you practice with it on it’s not an issue. I also read somewhere that a quiver will make your arrows shoot “stiffer” than normal. I don’t usually use a quiver on my compound or traditional but I put it on this bow to test it. While tuning my bare shafts vs fletched they were about 2-3” right of fletched showing I needed a stiffer spine and because my arrows are cut as short as I can get them so I was stuck unless I bought new arrows or decreased my tip weight which I didn’t want to do. Once I put the quiver on they not only fell into place but it moved everything center on my shot where previously I would compensate for a few inches right of center when I anchor (fletched at 20 hit 2” right of where I was looking and the bare 4-5 inches right and moved continuously out the further out so 30 was fletched 3” bare 5-6 inches, now fletched and bare shaft all center shot 10 yards and beyond) I got the chrono out to check speed differences and no difference on speed.

However it worked with my terrible form, it did make my arrows act stiffer, it also balanced my bow and move my shot center which has helped my grouping tremendously at further distances and I didn’t have to buy new arrows. Win all the way around!

just note that it did in fact change my arrow flight, just happened to better.
 
One thing to note about quivers and this is probably as good a thread as any to mention it. According to all the calculators my new bow should be shooting 400s which ended up being not stiff enough so I bought 350s and still not stiff enough but much closer. I have read all over that there is a split of people that think quivers change a bow and how it shoots and they recommend against it and others that say as long as you practice with it on it’s not an issue. I also read somewhere that a quiver will make your arrows shoot “stiffer” than normal. I don’t usually use a quiver on my compound or traditional but I put it on this bow to test it. While tuning my bare shafts vs fletched they were about 2-3” right of fletched showing I needed a stiffer spine and because my arrows are cut as short as I can get them so I was stuck unless I bought new arrows or decreased my tip weight which I didn’t want to do. Once I put the quiver on they not only fell into place but it moved everything center on my shot where previously I would compensate for a few inches right of center when I anchor (fletched at 20 hit 2” right of where I was looking and the bare 4-5 inches right and moved continuously out the further out so 30 was fletched 3” bare 5-6 inches, now fletched and bare shaft all center shot 10 yards and beyond) I got the chrono out to check speed differences and no difference on speed.

However it worked with my terrible form, it did make my arrows act stiffer, it also balanced my bow and move my shot center which has helped my grouping tremendously at further distances and I didn’t have to buy new arrows. Win all the way around!

just note that it did in fact change my arrow flight, just happened to better.
Hmm, I would think it would make your arrows seem over spine since what is likely happening is the dampening on the limbs would slow them down. On the bow you posted earlier it does appear that you’re shooting a 3 piece so you’re mounting your quiver further down on the limbs then if it was a one piece. As others said you would mount them on the piece closest to the riser that doesn’t flex on a shot, or flex’s the least in a shot. I could see mounting effecting your limbs, but maybe you have it far enough down or close to the riser.

Edit: looking back at it it does appear you have it as far down as you can and it’s on the part that doesn’t flex much. I am surprised it affected you that much. Very interesting.
 
Hmm, I would think it would make your arrows seem over spine since what is likely happening is the dampening on the limbs would slow them down. On the bow you posted earlier it does appear that you’re shooting a 3 piece so you’re mounting your quiver further down on the limbs then if it was a one piece. As others said you would mount them on the piece closest to the riser that doesn’t flex on a shot, or flex’s the least in a shot. I could see mounting effecting your limbs, but maybe you have it far enough down or close to the riser.

Edit: looking back at it it does appear you have it as far down as you can and it’s on the part that doesn’t flex much. I am surprised it affected you that much. Very interesting.

This is going to sound smarter than I actually am… or make me sound like an idiot.

I think what is happening is it is adding mass to the bow which changes how the bow moves when releasing the energy. An object at rest tends to stay at rest…. more mass is harder to move so energy released when shooting an arrow would want to move the bow, not just the arrow and a little more mass will result in a little less movement helping with clearance and torque during the shock of load releasing an arrow. I have a light grip, likely poor form and torque my bow when I shoot. With this added mass the bow would react less in my hand as I release the arrow causing the bows transfer of energy to the arrow to be cleaner, the arrow clearance on the riser to be less affected by the bows movement, energy from limb tip to the center of the string or knocking point is relative to the energy from limb tip to the center of the riser. When released the mass of the riser pushing back against your hand caused the energy to focus on that knocking point or fingers during the draw as much as the palm of your bow hand, when released loaded energy push/pull (however you want to think about it) the arrow forward releasing the pressure on my bow hand at the same time which will let the riser move, in this moment the riser can do what it wants and moves where the energy tells it to when it is released. With my light grip, torque and poor form I think it is less effected with the added mass. (Welcome to the mind of someone with ADD)

In reference to it making the spine of the arrow seem stiffer (not actually stiffer, just making it act like a stiffer arrow), it would make sense that added mass to the limbs would cause a little slower limb movement although I did not have any change to speed so this one stumped me. It could have slowed the limbs with energy transfer but made up the speed with a cleaner release? If someone could explain that to me I could get back to work instead of staring at the wall after reading @gcr0003 response… productivity just went out the window for me today until I figure it out.
 
This is going to sound smarter than I actually am… or make me sound like an idiot.

I think what is happening is it is adding mass to the bow which changes how the bow moves when releasing the energy. An object at rest tends to stay at rest…. more mass is harder to move so energy released when shooting an arrow would want to move the bow, not just the arrow and a little more mass will result in a little less movement helping with clearance and torque during the shock of load releasing an arrow. I have a light grip, likely poor form and torque my bow when I shoot. With this added mass the bow would react less in my hand as I release the arrow causing the bows transfer of energy to the arrow to be cleaner, the arrow clearance on the riser to be less affected by the bows movement, energy from limb tip to the center of the string or knocking point is relative to the energy from limb tip to the center of the riser. When released the mass of the riser pushing back against your hand caused the energy to focus on that knocking point or fingers during the draw as much as the palm of your bow hand, when released loaded energy push/pull (however you want to think about it) the arrow forward releasing the pressure on my bow hand at the same time which will let the riser move, in this moment the riser can do what it wants and moves where the energy tells it to when it is released. With my light grip, torque and poor form I think it is less effected with the added mass. (Welcome to the mind of someone with ADD)

In reference to it making the spine of the arrow seem stiffer (not actually stiffer, just making it act like a stiffer arrow), it would make sense that added mass to the limbs would cause a little slower limb movement although I did not have any change to speed so this one stumped me. It could have slowed the limbs with energy transfer but made up the speed with a cleaner release? If someone could explain that to me I could get back to work instead of staring at the wall after reading @gcr0003 response… productivity just went out the window for me today until I figure it out.
These are all just hypothesis but I like your thought. The dampening of the bow could “quiet” the bow and in turn not hinder but help with the transferring the energy to the limbs more efficiently. More efficiency means a faster bow, faster bow means faster arrow, faster arrow means you need a stiff arrow.

I’m super curious now. I had arrows that were shooting well but I took the quiver off. The arrows were severely overspined when I took the quiver off. I remember adding the quiver and it practically removing all hand shock and quieting the bow down. I wonder if when I removed the quiver the bow vibrates more and transfers energy less efficiently which means it’s slower without the quiver? I’m going to test this this afternoon with slow mow footage and share the results. Fascinating stuff!!

Conversely, if you move the quiver attachments too far down the limbs then it would make sense of what I was thinking, which is you are then hindering the limbs by adding mass too far down and therefore slowing down the bow. I don’t think this is what is occurring in your case.
 
And then with regards to your grip, I wonder how much speed you lose with a firm grip vs a open and loose grip. I think I have noticed a difference in this as well with traditional bows. Obviously if you have a tighter grip you will be helping dampen the bow by absorbing those vibrations and letting the energy transfer to the limbs. I wonder if you lose additional energy by loosely gripping the bow and letting it free vibrate.
 
So here will be the test. I don’t have a crono so we will have to use the slow mo for comparison. Could still be fun, or maybe not enough to tell a difference

Test 620 grain arrows with my #45 bow
1. 300 spine, no quiver, loose grip
2. 300 spine, no quiver, firm grip
3. 300 spine, quiver, loose grip
4. 300 spine, quiver, firm grip

Repeat Tests 1-4 with 340 spine, 620 gr arrows.

Quiver placed such that it does not hinder the bow but will help dampen vibrations.
 
Well I’ll admit I can’t tell a whole lot from this. Biggest take away for me is seeing how much the limb tip is vibrating. Wild. Who can tell the loose/firm grip and the 340 vs 300 spine??

It is hard to tell but it does look like the tips vibrate less with the quiver on. I can’t tell a difference from one to the other with the grip. I do see the bow torque in a few shots side to side more than the others, are those tight grip or loose? That would be a loss of energy in my opinion because the energy isn’t going straight forwards, it is lost going side to side. On another note, I would think less vibration could be either… loss of energy because the limbs are slower or gain of energy because it is loading straight down the middle and more energy is given to the arrow? Speed would give you that answer. Are you able to see the time it takes when the arrow leaves the bow till impact on your recording? More energy to the arrow would make it faster and shorter flight time.

I am traveling this weekend but maybe next week if I get some time I will get my chrono out and test out speed with and without the quiver and grip and see if it has any effect on speed.
 
Rounded out the "Saddlehunter" setup. Everything but the arrows came from here, including the 175 Grizzlysticks on the arrows themselves. Finished it up with a very, very nice adjustable EFA two blade quiver from @Razorbak66. Already got it bloody last weekend before the quiver addition. This rig is going to get some miles.

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