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What arrow do you use for deer?

I am right on the line.... Maybe I will try the 300's and see how they do


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I'm shooting Victory VAP arrows with 135 grain Zwickey Eskilite broadheads with 43 grain VAP outserts. I'm getting awesome KE, 20+% FOC and pretty decent speed (270's)from a 2014 Elite Energy 32 with 70 lb limbs and a 27" draw. Two passthroughs already this season and no arrow damage.
 
J3Hunt,

I would have to agree that if you are on the edge bump up to the stiffer spine with the speeds your shooting a heavy arrow and lots of KE and momentum should be easy to achieve. Also what are you shooting into with that type of speed and energy you may want a bag target they are sometimes easier on the shafts. As for high FOC if you can get good arrow flight with high FOC I say go for it but some setups don't allow anything over 12 or 15 percent before accuracy starts to degrade.

Roger
 
I shoot into a bag target... Left the block style targets years ago. I think the the spine of my arrow might be the issue. Never had a problem with KE.


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J3Hunt,

With the numbers you posted KE shouldn't be an issue at all but I will take a slight slower heavier setup over a super fast setup because it's easier on you and your equipment. Also one thing about the KE equation you get a much higher value from velocity or speed than you do with the momentum equation, which is why many people have gone to much lighter faster rigs but it is a little deceptive, because no matter how much faster you go it doesn't make up for physical mass. For example if you were to shoot a ping pong ball at 1000 miles an hour or a golf ball at a 100 even though on paper the KE might be close the object with the higher mass will retain and more importantly transmit that energy to what it strikes. The other thing is a lighter faster arrow will lose momentum quicker than a heavier slower arrow which translates into less penetration. Of course the trajectory of the heavier arrow will be greater but with a rig like yours you won't be sacraficing much at all since you have a long draw length and your shooting 347 fps, I know guys who are shooting 25 or 26 arrows who can't even think about getting the performance you are! Good shooting.

Roger

BTW way the Ed Ashby report is a great read as well as Rob Marlow's on momentum.
 
J3Hunt,

There is a great program from Pinwheel Archery that you can download and try for free for 30 days and you can enter your bow info in and it will give you all the shafts in a hunting or target range. The program works great and you can input all kinds of info into it and while while having a cup of coffee. We have also found it to be really accurate and reliable coming with 1 or 2 fps when we chronographed the arrows it recommended. It has saved us a bunch of money and time when setting up and tuning the bows. Check it out.

Roger
 
j3hunt said:
I shoot into a bag target... Left the block style targets years ago. I think the the spine of my arrow might be the issue. Never had a problem with KE.


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Another thing that helps is to hang the bag. The bag lasts longer because it swinging takes out some of the impact. I also think the 300 will be the ticket. I'm currently shooting 250's w/ 235 gr up front. 630 gr arrow 75lb 29" draw. Perfect flight. Bone smashing power! With this current set up, pass thru's on everything but my elk which I spine shot.
 
I use Cabelas Stalker Xtreme arrows. I believe they're made by Gold Tip. I use a Whisker Biscuit rest and these arrows make far less noise on the draw I was getting with other arrows.
 
i'm currently using Easton Carbon Aftermath with 100 gr. Slick Trick Viper Tricks. They fly closest to my field points, although I've yet to test their penetration on big game. They tend to wobble at about 25 to 30 yds in the air before they hit, but i still hit consistent groups...was thinking i may try to tune a bit to stop my wobble for further shots. anyone else using Easton Carbon Aftermath arrows??
 
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This year I am going to use Black Eagle Rampages for all my big game needs-I might be hunting multiple species in Idaho. These have the stainless outserts and I am running a 100 grn head with a weight of 428 grns and I am getting in the 280's fps with 75 ke. These should punch through just about any critter I plan on shooting.
 
hi there
carbon arrows are the only way to go, gold tip 4560 should be fine for your bow and you can find them on ebay most times for around 60 bucks a doz.i find beman 300 are the strongest arrows ive ever had (still shooting 6 of the 12 i bought 3 years ago) i shoot 50 to a hundred arrows everyday so that is thousands of shots for each arrow,red heads are another good choice and basspro usually has them on sale for 45 bucks a doz.at least once a year, aluminum arrows are ok but even pulling them out of your target the wrong way can put a bend in them and straightening them are a pain in the butt, so a cheap carbon arrow with a good mechanical broadhead like rage or rocky mountain with at least 3 inch vanes is what i would suggest for you, good hunting and be safe.
 
@russilwest, there is no way I would ever shoot a 4560 out of a 72 pound bow. Asking for a disaster using a light spine..


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cedar paul said:
This year I am going to use Black Eagle Rampages for all my big game needs-I might be hunting multiple species in Idaho. These have the stainless outserts and I am running a 100 grn head with a weight of 428 grns and I am getting in the 280's fps with 75 ke. These should punch through just about any critter I plan on shooting.
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I was fortunate enough to win a dozen of these a few weeks ago.

I couldn't make up my mind on the SS half-outs from BE, so after thinking it over I finally cut them to length and installed brass HIT inserts instead and homemade lighted X-nocks (my version is about 2 grains lighter than lumenoks). With 200 grains up front, I'm a touch over 19.5% FOC. That's good with lighted nocks, blazer vanes and a reflective strip behind the vanes. Let me know how you like the BE half-outs, I was afraid they might bend. I always liked the HIT system so I went with what I trusted, plus the HITs are even heavier than the SS.

Here's a video from yesterday, shooting them for the first time. The shots in the video are the more calm wind, but it got really gusty as I moved back and they proved to be great in the wind with the micro-diameter, I shot them out to 50yds with heavy gusts...and except for my bow arm blowing all over the place, they didn't drift as much as some arrows I've shot. My eastons before this were slim too though.

The shop I won them from is "Ted's Taxidermy and Bow Shop" in Southern NJ. Buena I think is the town. I'm not from there, so I don't know. lol If any of you are ever in their area, stop in and see them. The owner is a really nice guy.


I should have them broadhead tuned and ready to go for Spring turkey. Hope to poke them through at least one gobbler in a few short weeks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecR9skAMmH0
 
j3hunt said:
@russilwest, there is no way I would ever shoot a 4560 out of a 72 pound bow. Asking for a disaster using a light spine..


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Oh and I agree with this above. Sounds potentially dangerous.

Unless they are cut really short with a light point and heavy rear, they are very likely under-spined out of a 72# bow. Also, I don't remember GT making a 4560, but carbon express did, and they are right around .400 - .420 spine if I remember correctly. I don't know enough about the setup, but it has the potential to be dangerously underspined. Hopefully the arrow is still above the standard minimum of 5grper#, then I doubt anything is going to blow up, but depending on the entire setup, you're more likely looking at a .340-.300 or stiffer arrow. I would run your setup through something like TAP or ONTarget to see where you stand.
 
Hey guys. I shoot a Mathews Monster Chill X; 29" draw and 59lb of draw weight. I have been shooting victory VAP arrows (418 grain; 350 spine) for years with great success. With the exception of last year I shot and failed to recover several deer. I was so distressed, of course thinking it was my shooting. Well I arrowed another deer and recovered her with the arrow in her. Upon inspection I found that the insert was bent at greater than a 45 degree angle, causing the arrow to lose all of its energy. I contacted Victory and found out there was a batch of bad inserts.

So with that bad experience last year I did some research and opted to use the Firenock outsert on my VAPs (pink shafts of course...;)

After spin testing the new arrow build with the Firenock outserts I headed to the woods last week. I shot 2 deer in one night and both clean pass throughs.

Here is to a happy and successful hunting season to all.

Thanks to all for the great information you gents post!



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