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What makes a great deer hunter.

If hunting prowess is your measure of self-worth, I feel sorry for you.
I have a mentor who told me years ago that as a younger and more irreverent man that he was asked by a pastor, "Son, do you know your purpose in life?" To which he responded, "Yessir. I was put here to kill every last deer in the state of Mississippi."

Hard to probe this line of thought without violating papasquirrel's "no religion" rule. But I'll say that while hunting prowess isn't the full sum of my perceived self worth, it is a factor. My life got better when I admitted to myself that I'd generally rather kill deer than make money, eat, sleep, socialize, procreate, or really even "just be a good person."

Weirdly, I'm usually my best self when I'm hunting. I'm driven, focused, patient, and making full use of my physical and mental abilities. I'm usually at my most generous when helping somebody blood trail or drag a deer out, or trying to put a new hunter on their first kill. I'm the best son I can be when I'm putting my dad in the best spot I found after a weekend of crawling every inch of 500 acres and being ecstatic when he shoots the biggest buck either of us have ever seen. I have had the best work ethic and been of the most value to society when working jobs tangential to hunting. Most of my closest friendships have been the result of hunting. Most of my charitable and philanthropic efforts would not have happened if it wasn't for my desire to want myself and similar people to always have the option to hunt.

I'm willing to bet some portion of your self-worth is tied to your ability to achieve your goals as a hunter. You've probably got some other stuff sprinkled in there with it. I do. I wanna be a good husband, a good son, a good brother, a good employee, a good citizen, etc. But one can make the argument that all these metrics we use to gauge our worth are quite arbitrary, and that ultimately maybe our self-worth isn't as important as we selfishly think it is. And I think that's ok. I tend to believe that there probably isn't a grand, predestined "purpose" that we're assigned at conception. I think we're kinda making it up as we go along, and that it changes as we change. It's not a "pass or fail" test. It's not even an essay exam. It's a creative writing exercise, so go balls-to-the-wall with it. I know that thought runs counter to a lot of other people's, but I think if you entertain the idea a lot of the world starts to make more sense.

I don't feel sad for myself that a good portion of satisfaction with who I am is dependent on how good I am at killing deer. I think it's odd, but it's also odd that I prefer Wild Turkey to Jack Daniels, or brunettes to blondes, or Labradors to German Shepherds.
 
I hope you are trying to imply it takes skill to spotlight a deer? Granted you can be a poacher without spotlighting them...
As somebody who has legally spotlighted several game animals, I'm not implying. I'm saying. There is a level of skill to it simply because people can get better at it. That's what skill is.

You don't like poachers. I'd say most of us don't. That's good. None of us like the Taliban or the Nazi SS. But you'd be silly to say they lack skill as fighters, or that a poacher lacks skill as a hunter.
 
As somebody who has legally spotlighted several game animals, I'm not implying. I'm saying. There is a level of skill to it simply because people can get better at it. That's what skill is.

You don't like poachers. I'd say most of us don't. That's good. None of us like the Taliban or the Nazi SS. But you'd be silly to say they lack skill as fighters, or that a poacher lacks skill as a hunter.

I grew up spotlighting deer (not shooting just looking). I disagree that there is skill involved. Maybe the skill is knowing the holdover between the two glowing eyes? Again, I never shot, just enjoyed seeing them.
 
I grew up spotlighting deer (not shooting just looking). I disagree that there is skill involved. Maybe the skill is knowing the holdover between the two glowing eyes? Again, I never shot, just enjoyed seeing them.
I grew up feeding deer by hand at the local park. Don't see much skill in killing one.

I'm not saying it's Raumscach. Just that it's a skill. And you're singling out one aspect of the discussion. There'a nobody here disagreeing with you that poachers are "bad" and deserve righteous indignation. Nobody is even saying that all poachers who kill 100+ deer are great hunters. We're just saying there is overlap between the poacher category and the great hunter category.

I know some poachers. Some (not all) of them are good (capable) hunters. It makes sense if you consider that they've made the call that killing deer is so important that it's worth risking jail time to do it. Most poachers are not the neck-tatted, hillbilly delinquents we picture when we imagine them. They're the guy who shoots a deer 20 minutes after legal light, or who baits in an area where it's illegal, or who shoots a buck just under antler restrictions and sneaks it by the check stations, or who tags a buck with his buddy's tag since he's tagged out. All of those actions make you a poacher, but they don't mean you're not a good hunter.

Heck, look at ole Andre D'Acquisto. He's been convicted of poaching, but is also a very good hunter who kills lots of perfectly legal deer
 
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As somebody who has legally spotlighted several game animals, I'm not implying. I'm saying. There is a level of skill to it simply because people can get better at it. That's what skill is.

You don't like poachers. I'd say most of us don't. That's good. None of us like the Taliban or the Nazi SS. But you'd be silly to say they lack skill as fighters, or that a poacher lacks skill as a hunter.
Who said that I didn't like them? Some of my best friends used to be poachers. I didn't approve of what they did but I still liked them as a person. Most poachers I've known where lazy though.
 
Who said that I didn't like them? Some of my best friends used to be poachers. I didn't approve of what they did but I still liked them as a person. Most poachers I've known where lazy though.
All saddlehunters I've known are lazy. So lazy they'll pay $1,000 to carry 10 fewer pounds in the woods. Laziness isn't necessarily bad. Corporate-approved laziness is just efficiency. ;)
 
All saddlehunters I've known are lazy. So lazy they'll pay $1,000 to carry 10 fewer pounds in the woods. Laziness isn't necessarily bad. Corporate-approved laziness is just efficiency. ;)
New bow, new gear, lightest equipment, and matching camo are the only way to be a great hunter. You can't kill em with a rifle sitting in a lawn chair with nothing but your underwear. You gotta have the Lastest and Greatest!!!!
 
I have a mentor who told me years ago that as a younger and more irreverent man that he was asked by a pastor, "Son, do you know your purpose in life?" To which he responded, "Yessir. I was put here to kill every last deer in the state of Mississippi."

Hard to probe this line of thought without violating papasquirrel's "no religion" rule. But I'll say that while hunting prowess isn't the full sum of my perceived self worth, it is a factor. My life got better when I admitted to myself that I'd generally rather kill deer than make money, eat, sleep, socialize, procreate, or really even "just be a good person."

Weirdly, I'm usually my best self when I'm hunting. I'm driven, focused, patient, and making full use of my physical and mental abilities. I'm usually at my most generous when helping somebody blood trail or drag a deer out, or trying to put a new hunter on their first kill. I'm the best son I can be when I'm putting my dad in the best spot I found after a weekend of crawling every inch of 500 acres and being ecstatic when he shoots the biggest buck either of us have ever seen. I have had the best work ethic and been of the most value to society when working jobs tangential to hunting. Most of my closest friendships have been the result of hunting. Most of my charitable and philanthropic efforts would not have happened if it wasn't for my desire to want myself and similar people to always have the option to hunt.

I'm willing to bet some portion of your self-worth is tied to your ability to achieve your goals as a hunter. You've probably got some other stuff sprinkled in there with it. I do. I wanna be a good husband, a good son, a good brother, a good employee, a good citizen, etc. But one can make the argument that all these metrics we use to gauge our worth are quite arbitrary, and that ultimately maybe our self-worth isn't as important as we selfishly think it is. And I think that's ok. I tend to believe that there probably isn't a grand, predestined "purpose" that we're assigned at conception. I think we're kinda making it up as we go along, and that it changes as we change. It's not a "pass or fail" test. It's not even an essay exam. It's a creative writing exercise, so go balls-to-the-wall with it. I know that thought runs counter to a lot of other people's, but I think if you entertain the idea a lot of the world starts to make more sense.

I don't feel sad for myself that a good portion of satisfaction with who I am is dependent on how good I am at killing deer. I think it's odd, but it's also odd that I prefer Wild Turkey to Jack Daniels, or brunettes to blondes, or Labradors to German Shepherds.

Yeah self-worth was poor word choice. Hunting and fishing is definitely a significant part of my life, and I don't go out with the intention of being bad at it. Validation maybe? I just get annoyed about the folks want to make it a pecker-measuring contest.
 
Yeah self-worth was poor word choice. Hunting and fishing is definitely a significant part of my life, and I don't go out with the intention of being bad at it. Validation maybe? I just get annoyed about the folks want to make it a pecker-measuring contest.
Fair. I do admit that part of what I like about hunting is the competition. Both with the self and with others. I like giving a good ribbing, and being on the receiving end of one definitely motivates me to do better.

I think the part that bother me (and maybe you) is when the ego thing takes priority over the actual hunting. I don't like armchair experts and self-appointed gurus and hope I'm not one of them. I do want to be seen as a good hunter (and I think we all do), but I want that view to align with reality.
 
Fair. I do admit that part of what I like about hunting is the competition. Both with the self and with others. I like giving a good ribbing, and being on the receiving end of one definitely motivates me to do better.

I think the part that bother me (and maybe you) is when the ego thing takes priority over the actual hunting. I don't like armchair experts and self-appointed gurus and hope I'm not one of them. I do want to be seen as a good hunter (and I think we all do), but I want that view to align with reality.
I couldn't care less if anybody sees me as a good hunter or not. I do it because I love it. Venison is also my favorite food.
 
This is tough because I know and have been around a lot of different hunters and woodsmen and fisherman and trappers. There are commonalities that tend to surface with the better than average sportsmen or women I know. Now I've never been to an outfitter or been guided at all so that experience I cannot rate or relate to whatsoever. Generally, my natural inclination is to not rate hunters who use guides or outfitters as being "as good a hunter" as the guy that does everything himself but because I've never been on a guided or outfitted hunt, I can't say that for sure. Take for example the well known bowhunter Chuck Adams. As of the close of the 2020 season, he has 200 animals in the P&Y club, I believe I read numbers 199 and 200 were just taken this year ( a big muley buck and a big bull elk). Is he a "great" hunter? In many circles and in many respects, most would probably say, yes. He's a great hunter. But, I also think many people would say John Q. Public land hunter who harvests a nice buck every year legally is also a "great" hunter. Some may chide me for picking Chuck Adams because he mostly likely uses outfitters that provide some of the efforts that the average hunter doesn't have the ability to factor into his hunting success equation. However, under closer scrutiny and if you ever have read any of his stories or books, you begin to realize the depth and breadth of this accomplishment over the years and you begin to see a pattern where this guy does most of his own planning and will change up his strategies even if an outfitter recommends otherwise... just so he can harvest the highest scoring animal he knows is in the area. I'm not a fanboy just trying to look at the facts. Both Chuck and John Q have developed their plans based on sound information and follow them through. Both most likely account for and have planned contingencies in case their "A" game plan(s) do not come together. Both most likely understand the best and worst times to make their efforts. Both most likely have a very strong work ethic.... no magic pill. Both most likely know the land(s) or areas they hunt very well and spend a lot of time understanding how their quarry relates to that habitat. Both most likely have tried and true gear that they constantly improve upon but most importantly know how to "run their gear" as efficiently and as effectively as possible. Both follow game laws and even more likely, both have a high sense of ethics and hunter responsibility and will do the right thing, even when they could "get away with" the wrong thing as it wouldn't feel to them like a worthy harvest. Both most likely can read sign and understand terrain features and likely habitat to determine focus areas for their hunting efforts. The list goes on and on about these "commonalities of a great hunter, trapper, fisherman, woodsmen, race car driver, skier, chef, etc." I don't want to begin to describe what makes a great hunter as achieving a numeric goal or objective (e.g. number of animals in the record book, antler size, number of animals harvested, etc.) but the best of the best seem to have similar commonalities that help them achieve their goals and objectives legally no matter what the odds. To me, that is what defines a great hunter.
 
Here we go.
Hunter 1- tags out every year with average to mature bucks.
Hunter 2 - kills 6 does every year only

The question digs into the different views on who is considered a better hunter. This was a topic that was brought up years ago with some friends so I would like to get some more opinions on this. What is a deer hunter by definition to you
To answer your exact question, I'd say they are both great deer hunters in their own rights. To be honest there is just not enough information for me to be able to rate. Are you talking about being able to tag out completely? Is the playing field 100 % equal? Is the deer population the same? Did the first hunter kill the 2 bucks throughout the entire season ? Did the second hunter kill the Doe's in a week. Are they baiting a sight or not? Is one of them on a guided hunt on managed land where deer are less skittish around humans? Who's working harder and doing the correct things 100 % of the time to put themselves where the deer are? What makes one hunter better then another? In my case that's an easy question to answer. I'd say 90% of y'all are better hunters then I am. I just don't have experience, YET but I'm coming for y'all , LOL. I would say the better hunter would be the humble hunter. One who isn't just chasing a rack for bragging rights. The one who uses all of the harvest. The one who respects other hunters and doesn't set up in a tree within whispering distance. The one who will help another hunter even if it means he cannot hunt at that time. The one who loves the knowledge of the animal, the area, and loves the time spent doing it regardless of his success . The one who wants to pass on the skills to those who want to learn buy doing . To me that's the better hunter. Not the one who just kills.
 
I just get annoyed about the folks want to make it a pecker-measuring contest.

If it wasn't a pecker measuring contest, the human species would've died out a long time ago. You can argue that we have some higher intelligence now, and can begin to "say no" to nature. But the fact remains, if we weren't using how many critters we brought back to the tribe to measure our "figurative peckers", there eventually would be no tribe to return to...
 
I'd say 90% of y'all are better hunters then I am. I just don't have experience, YET but I'm coming for y'all
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To me that's the better hunter. Not the one who just kills.
And this one...don't jive in my mind. Unless you're saying 90% of us have better morals than you.

Keep that first quote on your brain. Join the forum contest this year. Hunt to kill. Bathe in the blood. Then go from there. I'm all for everything you said in your post, unless you're using it as an excuse for why you're not killing deer. I'm sure you're a moral person and a good steward of natural resources and all that. I'm not sure if you're a good hunter or if you're capable of being one. I'm throwing a friendly gauntlet. Whip out that measuring tape and show me just how big yours is.
 
A great hunter is someone that puts meat on the table. You can't eat antlers. Hunting is killing. If you aren't putting meat on the table then you are just spending time in the woods. Now if you want to get nit picky, you can break it down to a great trophy hunter, big game hunter, archery hunter.....
 
I believe a good hunter is just someone who enjoys hunting, puts in his time doing all the things hunters do( scouting, preparing, etc.) but just truly just loves what all the aspects are and then succeeds and what his or her goals are. That could be different things, depends what your goals are. (Does, a legal buck, a mature buck, meat for family & friends, but it all boils down to the experience and that you are enjoying it!) success means different things to different people! Good luck to all!
 
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And this one...don't jive in my mind. Unless you're saying 90% of us have better morals than you.

Keep that first quote on your brain. Join the forum contest this year. Hunt to kill. Bathe in the blood. Then go from there. I'm all for everything you said in your post, unless you're using it as an excuse for why you're not killing deer. I'm sure you're a moral person and a good steward of natural resources and all that. I'm not sure if you're a good hunter or if you're capable of being one. I'm throwing a friendly gauntlet. Whip out that measuring tape and show me just how big yours is.
"And this one...don't jive in my mind. Unless you're saying 90% of us have better morals than you"
Nope, not saying y'alls morals are better than mine. My lack of experience in hunting knowledge in general is why I made that statement.

CHALANGE EXCEPTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .

@Nutterbuster I hear ya man, I'm not using anything as an excuse for why I'm not killing deer. I know why I'm NOT killing deer and all my fault due to rookie mistakes. I'm 46 and got a late start on hunting at this point in my life. I'm taking what I have learned from past hunts and taking the advice from those of you like I said in my last post. The things I'm learning is because of guys like you that are willing to guide in a direction that helps put me help myself on some deer. Now as far as you gauntlet, You realize I can only hunt during rifle season, right? But I'll take your challenge . Besides, nothing forces someone to get out and learn more than some friendly trash talk and a little nudge from competition. I assume the rules will be the same as last year so i will check them out. Just beware I don't do anything to prove myself to others. I only want to prove to myself that I can do this..
 
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I’d say Hunter 1 and 2 are both great hunters. Hunter 3 is slightly better. That’s the Hunter that tags out on bucks and continues to pile up does. Only metric I’m concerned with is the body count. I go for big bucks, but I’m killing anything legal. Hunting the rut is my only exception.


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I’d say Hunter 1 and 2 are both great hunters. Hunter 3 is slightly better. That’s the Hunter that tags out on bucks and continues to pile up does. Only metric I’m concerned with is the body count. I go for big bucks, but I’m killing anything legal. Hunting the rut is my only exception.


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On a typical year, if I shot every deer I had an opportunity to shoot, I wouldn't make it to the rut before tagging out.
 
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