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what the heck kind of irresponsible bs is this?

you’ve got good taste in music!
That man is a national treasure. From Closing Time; to Orphans, Brawlers, and Bawlers; to Bad as Me...he just doesn't have a bad album.

Not all of us get cooler as we age, but he sure as heck does. Him and Dylan are hands-down my favorite to just stay in for the evening with a bottle of whiskey.
 
This thread has some weird energy to it lol. I fail to see how Tethrd is related to the topic AT ALL and I hope we can keep this site a place where we don't tear down other people like so many forums and places in our world.


As far as the ethical question, both sides have some very valid points and we obviously have laws to guide us up to a point. I do, however, think that outside of our own ethical stances we should consider public perception of hunting as a whole. Hunting is something that hits the ballot routinely and referendums have a track record of shutting down trapping, bear hunts, etc. Even if you don't feel like you owe it to anyone to appease them (and I'm not saying you do) the fact is we live in a democracy where we collectively decide what is ok. It's up to us to show non-hunters all of the incredible, positive things about this pursuit we all love and to minimize the "bad looks" in my opinion. By considering those long neighborhood shots, and youtube/social media posts, we stand a chance to not just hold our ground, but expand our legacy as outdoors men and women.
 
This thread has some weird energy to it lol. I fail to see how Tethrd is related to the topic AT ALL and I hope we can keep this site a place where we don't tear down other people like so many forums and places in our world.


As far as the ethical question, both sides have some very valid points and we obviously have laws to guide us up to a point. I do, however, think that outside of our own ethical stances we should consider public perception of hunting as a whole. Hunting is something that hits the ballot routinely and referendums have a track record of shutting down trapping, bear hunts, etc. Even if you don't feel like you owe it to anyone to appease them (and I'm not saying you do) the fact is we live in a democracy where we collectively decide what is ok. It's up to us to show non-hunters all of the incredible, positive things about this pursuit we all love and to minimize the "bad looks" in my opinion. By considering those long neighborhood shots, and youtube/social media posts, we stand a chance to not just hold our ground, but expand our legacy as outdoors men and women.
Great post sir. I think we should not let our differences in opinion on this one video separate us like it seems to be doing. Lets all congrat each other for putting food on the table, having a great sit, enjoying each others hunts when we share pictures in the tree, and just support each other. Thats why we all came here, well, that to ask Red Beard how in the world he can climb a tree with a spool of thread and bubble gum and make it look easy. Oh yeah and always 89's Pimp outfits.
 
Thanks guys for keeping this thread civil and not personal, well at least mostly. While we can agree to disagree on the ethics of a long shot I think we all can agree that we have a common goal of assuring our hunting lifestyle maintains its status as an acceptable pastime in our society. If you think that can't change suddenly look around and see how quick some societal norms have been shifted in our lifetimes. Let's remember that in the end our goals are all the same.
 
Thats why we all came here, well, that to ask Red Beard how in the world he can climb a tree with a spool of thread and bubble gum and make it look easy. Oh yeah and always 89's Pimp outfits.
When you peel back the layers of the onion... @always89y and I are basically the same person.
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That long of a shot might not be an issue for a William Tell slinging arrows at neighborhood deer that are probably half domesticated like national park deer. Hell I’ve had state park deer come eat out of my hand.

More contact with humans and their food tends to keep the local deer herd less jumpy. I’d be happy to hit a small car at that distance.


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I understand not liking the antics and commotion he put on for the camera afterwards, but let’s not all act like he did not absolutely pinwheel the 11 ring on that deer. Most couldn’t walk down there and put it in a better spot. He was in a blind after all so the noise level the deer could actually hear was zero and that Hoyt accuracy....YES SIR! Send it.


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Back on topic beating this thread"s dead horse...

As far as the shot goes he made a great one on a calm and unsuspecting animal that was intent on feeding. I don't think there was a need to be concerned about the animal reacting before the arrow made impact because the noise of the bow at that distance coupled with him shooting from inside a blind most likely would not startle the deer the same way, if at all, as compared to the noise from a shot only 20 yds away. And apparently this was the case because that deer did not react until the arrow hit it's mark. The one thing I did notice was the lack of penetration, the deer took off with the arrow hanging out of it's side. I would like to know what type of broadhead and arrow weight he was using to better understand the effects of shooting at that distance versus penetration. Then we'd have a second dilemma to debate...

I'm sure he practices at those distances and was confident enough in his abilities to be successful. I know my consistency drops off exponentially past 30 yds and I have no business drawing back at anything past that let alone 60+yds. So ethical and practical for me ends at 30 and as he showed us 62 is practical and ethical for him.

It's unfair to put your personal "ethics" limit on another person because there are other factors that determine just what is ethical. We all have different ways of putting deer on the ground and as long as it's within the law we shouldn't judge each other.
 
If you had a chance to plant a garden and have a decent harvest to feed your family, or wait until the next year to plant a garden when the ground would be more fertile, what would YOU do?

These guys live in Mansions and hunt behind Mansions, at least from the two videos I had watched (broadhead review and one hunt, that was enough for me). I don't think a 62yd shot was essential to provide tablefair.

Don't know much about them, but if they're counting on profit from their video productions and that weighs on their shot selection and hunting decisions, that's a way of life choice not related to real need. If they're within the law, so it goes. But, I get to choose not to watch, and not to support their exclusive hunting genre, which is where I'm at.

They could be great guys and all, but what I've seen just isn't for me, and this recent "success" headline doesn't pique my excitement at all.

Maybe this got covered after page 3, sorry if it's a redundant post.
 
I thought it was funny as well. Same jabbing I’d expect from any other hunting buddy to give me in similar situation. I would like to think they have tougher skin than their fans. I mean they wouldn’t post it up if they were concerned with the reception. They owned the goofed shots, and I’m sure they felt bad the same as us peasants do in similar situations. The one that guy spined should have included the follow up to make sure everyone knew the deer wasn’t suffering while the high fives were being passed. Just glad the words “smoked him” weren’t muttered.


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20 years ago, I watched 3 guys hitting paper plates with every shot from 80 to 100 yds. They were going antelope hunting out west.
Taking shots at whitetails past 30 yds to me is risky, but not unethical, and I use a crossbow these days. Still my line is 30 yds.
Its the day and age we live in gang..
With alm the technology we accept as ethical, its hard for me to understand the problem with longer shots if the archer has done his or her due diligence to prepare for it. A deer can duck an arrow going 300 fps at 20 yds. JMO
 
From the pic it looks like he made a good shot that he was comfortable with. I bet a fair share of the haters on here have taken more “unethical” shots at deer from 20 yds due to lack of practice, knowledge, tuning, poor setup and efficacy. Ethics are individual not universal. Some may say a deer is less prone to react past 50 yds vs a close shot. I’ve see deer whirl before a 25 yd shot connects so there’s that. I was shooting 4” groups at 60 this afternoon. I don’t know that I’d pass up a Broadside shot in the right conditions on a deer that I really wanted.
 
I didn't watch the video because I don't want to judge anyone especially fellow hunters. One thing I want to stress though, just because something is legal doesn't mean its ethical. We must always take the higher road folks. We are in a fishbowl.
 
20 years ago, I watched 3 guys hitting paper plates with every shot from 80 to 100 yds. They were going antelope hunting out west.
Taking shots at whitetails past 30 yds to me is risky, but not unethical, and I use a crossbow these days. Still my line is 30 yds.
Its the day and age we live in gang..
With alm the technology we accept as ethical, its hard for me to understand the problem with longer shots if the archer has done his or her due diligence to prepare for it. A deer can duck an arrow going 300 fps at 20 yds. JMO

This isn't a comment on ethics. It's just something I know to be true that may or may not relate depending on an individual shooter/hunter. But it comes to mind after reading about the 80-100yd paper plate accuracy.

I know of a tournament/league archer who shoots lights out. I mean, really, this guy is known as a shooter even amongst accomplished shooters.

Guy keeps missing deer within normal shot distances. Clean misses, several.

Some can pull it off on a live animal, others struggle for whatever reason, despite the practice.
 
This isn't a comment on ethics. It's just something I know to be true that may or may not relate depending on an individual shooter/hunter. But it comes to mind after reading about the 80-100yd paper plate accuracy.

I know of a tournament/league archer who shoots lights out. I mean, really, this guy is known as a shooter even amongst accomplished shooters.

Guy keeps missing deer within normal shot distances. Clean misses, several.

Some can pull it off on a live animal, others struggle for whatever reason, despite the practice.
Well said, but it is a question of ethics, what else could it be?
But as you said, some guys can't hold it together at any range, so therin lies the dilemma. Is it wrong or unethical to hunt deer if you get buck fever?
 
This isn't a comment on ethics. It's just something I know to be true that may or may not relate depending on an individual shooter/hunter. But it comes to mind after reading about the 80-100yd paper plate accuracy.

I know of a tournament/league archer who shoots lights out. I mean, really, this guy is known as a shooter even amongst accomplished shooters.

Guy keeps missing deer within normal shot distances. Clean misses, several.

Some can pull it off on a live animal, others struggle for whatever reason, despite the practice.
True so so true!!!!
 
Well said, but it is a question of ethics, what else could it be?
But as you said, some guys can't hold it together at any range, so therin lies the dilemma. Is it wrong or unethical to hunt deer if you get buck fever?

To be clear, my take on the video has already been levied in a separate post. This last observation was shared as just that.

On ethics....My ethics are mine, I wish more were like minded and I know folks who stray far from where I come from wish I shared their ethics.

I'm encouraged where discussion can truly be open minded. At the same time, when I hear folks say "who am I to judge" I cringe too.
 
I have watched the show many times. I like it. We are judging his channel and what type of person he is based off ONE 62 yard shot that he did perfectly. I've never seen him take that long of a shot before. If I'm not mistaken, he donates the meat to feed the needy in those areas. So he is an unethical person?? I think he gives an option for city people to see that they can hunt even in these cities and not have to drive out to Public land. WIn for us all. I think he is a good person from what I've seen. But several have said, "I would never watch those stupid videos". Hunting is a dying sport, if we don't shed light on the sport to the next generation then we wont have to worry about yardage on a bow shot. If a city kid sees his videos and gets involved with archery in his school because of it, maybe the sport will last.
I think we should say congrats and go about our own business.
We hang from mesh saddles and ropes 20-30 ft in the air while having wives and children at home and we are calling him unethical??? C'mon guys!!

I'm curious about the following statement, from the one hunting production that I watched its unclear:

"I think he gives an option for city people to see that they can hunt even in these cities and not have to drive out to Public land. WIn for us all."

Are they bringing innercity youth to hunt behind homes in these neighborhoods? Or, are you saying that the publicity generated by these hunts opens up more public innercity and municipal hunting opportunities? Or, just that folks who live in cities and can get the permits and permission have another option instead of shlepping out to the boonies?

If they are bringing underprivileged youths hunting, cool.

If you are thinking either of the latter options, let me ask, are the spots these guys hunt open to the average Joe?

Since this post seems to focus on the benefit of hunting publicity, I'll make a comment about that,

Hunting publicity is not always good even when it's nothing bad. It's a real conundrum. What may create interest may also create barriers, intentionally or otherwise.

For example, I grew up with a good size wood lot behind my parent's home. Many hunters hunted this woods, freely. I can't remember a dispute or ever hearing of anything but positive hunter interactions.

Well, the state record archery buck was taken from those woods, and following that publicity some fellows did the leg work to lock up most of the properties so they'd have exclusive opportunity to hunt. How many hunters did that put out and how many future hunters without the time and means to travel to the nearest public never got into the sport because they didn't have the available opportunities.

I was lucky to start off hunting on the tail end of when deer camps were still the way it was done. Community and camaraderie were as much a part of the experience as taking game. There are more big bucks being taken now, which you'd think would fuel interest in hunting and yet there are fewer hunters. Why?

My own speculation is that property owner concerns about liability in our litigious society as well as rising anti-hunting sentiment are only part of the problem. The Big Buck quest popularized by TV hunting has hunters locking down multiple parcels and buying up land for their own use, making access to the opportunity to hunt less available no matter the interest. Camp and community hunting has taken a hit, and there's further fallout.

If it wasn't for some very smart public officials from long ago setting aside some ground for all to enjoy, I fear we'd be on a crash course to have a hunting environment more like the European model.

But...If these guys are saying come on fellas, come and hunt where we do...cool.
 
If it wasn't for some very smart public officials from long ago setting aside some ground for all to enjoy, I fear we'd be on a crash course to have a hunting environment more like the European model.
Amen. Hunting is already enough of a rich man's game today. If it wasn't for ole Teddy popularizing the idea of "people's wilderness" I'd be stuck with poaching his lordship's deer. And I'm technically middle class!
 
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