Who’s running 1/8 in amsteel tether?

[Nutterbuster]

If it’s a nonprofit organization it could be useful but if it’s a government organization we will get screwed over like the AFT, making unnecessary rules. But a set a set of standards might not be a bad thing to prevent the Tethrd types of decisions to rush things out.


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1. I assume you mean private instead of nonprofit.

2. Anything regulating saddles would almost certainly be private, since it's small enough potatoes that Unc Sam definitely doesn't give a darn.

3. Not sure what you have against the American Federation of Teachers, but I'm pretty sure they're not a government organization.

4. Government acronym organizations are responsible for terribly unnecessary rules like keeping lead out of paint and gasoline, providing guidelines for safe canning, keeping 12 year olds out of coal mines, keeping power companies from dumping arsenic into watersheds, prohibiting tobaco/alcohol companies from touting health benefits from their products and advertising to minors...etc...etc... Do they screw up? Yep. Do they do it more often than other entities? Probs not. Are they often the only recourse citizens have when corporations start acting exclusively in the interest of shareholders instead of considering the interests of stakeholders? Arguably. Is it reductionist to make blanket statements against them? Definitely.

 

[woodsdog2]

If it’s a nonprofit organization it could be useful but if it’s a government organization we will get screwed over like the AFT, making unnecessary rules. But a set a set of standards might not be a bad thing to prevent the Tethrd types of decisions to rush things out.


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TMA is NOT a government association it’s an independent testing lab with leadership and direction typically from industry specific business owners and product developers who get together to develop and write specifications to ensure products have a baseline level of safety. They also use these standards to compare different products on as level of a playing field as possible. So In other words people like @Fl Canopy Stalker, @always89y, @JCLINE84, @Brocky, @g2outdoors, would get together and develop best practices for saddle design, material selection, product development and product testing.

 

[Nutterbuster]

TMA is NOT a government association it’s an independent testing lab with leadership and direction typically from industry specific business owners and product developers who get together to develop and write specifications to ensure products have a baseline level of safety. They also use these standards to compare different products on as level of a playing field as possible. So In other words people like @Fl Canopy Stalker, @always89y, @JCLINE84, @Brocky, @g2outdoors, would get together and develop best practices for saddle design, material selection, product development and product testing.

Yup. It's also been in the works for years now to have TMA encompass the saddle thing. I think it's a good idea.

Don't keep up with things as well as I used to, but I remember 2-3 years ago the two big T's and maybe latitude had a meeting with the director or some such of TMA? Kinda surprised we don't see TMA-approved stickers on stuff yet.

 

[woodsdog2]

I forgot to include people like JRB and other knot and hitch experts as well into that mix.

 

[Fl Canopy Stalker]

TMA is NOT a government association it’s an independent testing lab with leadership and direction typically from industry specific business owners and product developers who get together to develop and write specifications to ensure products have a baseline level of safety. They also use these standards to compare different products on as level of a playing field as possible. So In other words people like @Fl Canopy Stalker, @always89y, @JCLINE84, @Brocky, @g2outdoors, would get together and develop best practices for saddle design, material selection, product development and product testing.

You’re correct they are not government, but they are not a testing lab at all. They help make recommendations to ANSI, which sets standards that most industries follow. TMA already actively has a saddle standards committee with people from Tethrd, Trophyline, H2, and possibly Cruzr on there now. Also on that committee was a guy who runs a very large 3rd party testing company, as well as one of the bigger insurance agents for life safety gear. Mr John from TMA is chairing that committee if I am not mistaken. They have done so many things that help with accident research and litigation, along with reduced insurance costs for treestands, that TMA would be beneficial if they adopted saddles as opposed to us trying to start our own association and working to get those same benefits.

 

[woodsdog2]

You’re correct they are not government, but they are not a testing lab at all. They help make recommendations to ANSI, which sets standards that most industries follow. TMA already actively has a saddle standards committee with people from Tethrd, Trophyline, H2, and possibly Cruzr on there now. Also on that committee was a guy who runs a very large 3rd party testing company, as well as one of the bigger insurance agents for life safety gear. Mr John from TMA is chairing that committee if I am not mistaken. They have done so many things that help with accident research and litigation, along with reduced insurance costs for treestands, that TMA would be beneficial if they adopted saddles as opposed to us trying to start our own association and working to get those same benefits.

Good to know! I did not realize this. Thanks for the info.

 

[Rjschatts]

TMA is NOT a government association it’s an independent testing lab with leadership and direction typically from industry specific business owners and product developers who get together to develop and write specifications to ensure products have a baseline level of safety. They also use these standards to compare different products on as level of a playing field as possible. So In other words people like @Fl Canopy Stalker, @always89y, @JCLINE84, @Brocky, @g2outdoors, would get together and develop best practices for saddle design, material selection, product development and product testing.

I meant like TMA, I apparently misunderstood the term nonprofit as I thought that meant nongovernmental. I don’t mean that all government agency are bad. I believe A basic “minimum standards” should be implemented and should be focused on safety. People that understand are in the field like the people that you mentioned.
I guess I don’t really know what I’m talking about…


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[Fl Canopy Stalker]

Good to know! I did not realize this. Thanks for the info.

It’s kind of a hush hush thing. Going inverted in falls is one of the big no no’s that TMA’s board won’t sign off on. It’s an uphill battle for saddle manufacturers at this point. That dude suffocating in the saddle from being inverted won’t help us either

 

[Brocky]

If a dyneema tether is wanted, another option is New England Rope, WR 2, regular core and cover. Has a lot of coating making it very stiff at first. 7mm is the largest diameter with a break strength of 8800 lbs.