I was thinking 10 feet would be easier to untangle and could be the gear hanger as well so 5 extra feet.
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No one is telling you you can’t but it sounds like the worst of both worlds... you get the fiddle factor of the loose paracord and the extra bulk of the retractable leash. Also don’t the retractable dog leashes click as the go in and out? A purpose made hoist doesn’t, or at least mine doesn’t... as for cost the Muddy gear hoist is $17 on amazon so same price as one of the nice dog leashes...
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How do you plan on using it for a gear hanger? I've bought paracord and 5, 6 mm cord and I always manage to get it tangled or caught on something. Even with doing the figure 8 to manage it. I tried it once because of the weight of the Doyle's hoist and I got it caught on my third climbing stick. It somehow looped around my actual step and got stuck. The more I pulled on it the tighter it got, it eventually kicked my climbing stick sideways. I had to climb back down and fix it. After that fiasco I decided the 14 ounces of the Doyle's hoist is well worth it. It's even better now that I paired it with DanO's fleece bag. It's quiet and I don't even notice the weight.
I found 25' retractable dog leashes on sale at Harbor Freight for $1 about 10 years ago and I bought 3 of them. (normally $6 each)
One has been on my climber since I bought them and it finally broke this weekend. (my pack fell from about 2 feet)
The other 2 I had on permanent stands and squirrels chewed the strings.
I knew the string was starting to show wear so I recently purchased a Doyle's gear hoist.
If it last half as long as that $1 dog leash I will be happy with the purchase.
One has been on my climber since I bought them and it finally broke this weekend. (my pack fell from about 2 feet)
The other 2 I had on permanent stands and squirrels chewed the strings.
I knew the string was starting to show wear so I recently purchased a Doyle's gear hoist.
If it last half as long as that $1 dog leash I will be happy with the purchase.
I've been using a doyles for probably 7 years now. I just tie a wiregate biner to the end and wrap it in camo form. Have never made noise that I can recall, or dropped my stuff.
A neutrino wiregate weighs less than my bank cards. I'm a weight weenie, but at some point even I just shrug and move on.
A neutrino wiregate weighs less than my bank cards. I'm a weight weenie, but at some point even I just shrug and move on.
Curious to hear more. Compared to the bow or gun it's hauling up, a wrapped biner has practically 0 potential for noise. Are you saying you had one spook a deer?I will be posting a video soon on how to convert a Doyle’s style gear hoist to have a dyneema line. I’m really hesitant to use a biner even wrapped because I’ve been burned before
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Practically. But ~combined~ with a bow it was a problem, I had my trusty paracord with a ‘biner tied to the end that I then lashed through my bow riser and attached to its own line. It was perfect and easy, under tension, but as soon as I pulled my bow up, grabbed the bow and the rope was no longer tensioned >TANG!< ‘biner dropped an inch and hit my riser. Of course there were deer that had walked up right then and I might as well have dropped a prybar on a pane of glass
I am thinking of a design for a machined ‘knot grabber’ if you will. So the only metal is bolted to my bow and the rope will have maybe a diamond knot and you basically clip it in to the bow.
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If I wrap around the riser one time then clip to the string it picks up and it’s silent. If you are careful and purposeful in your movements pretty much anything will be quiet. Anything can be noisy if you aren’t careful.
Tie a loop in the end of whatever you use. Stick it through your bow string or cam or whatevers on the end of your bow and over the tip. Absolutely no noise, ever. No knot to untie.
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So I found the system I am designing already exists... it’s called the Matthews SCS.
https://www.mathewsinc.com/product/silent-connect-system/
So now I’ll just be making a more universal version to fit my bow
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https://www.mathewsinc.com/product/silent-connect-system/
So now I’ll just be making a more universal version to fit my bow
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Nice. What is the breaking strength of the Dyneema you used?
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I went with the 2mm as that was the closest to what was already in the hoist. It’s rated at 1,000 lbs
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I never used that medium size dog leash that I showed above. It seemed too big. I have a 8 foot small dog leash. I could put 30 feet of 300 pound test Dyneema fishing line on it. I don't know if the spring will go around enough times to wind it all.
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Yeah that might work but like you said the spring... part of the reason I used such overkill cordage is I can use it as an emergency rappel line if something terrible should happen. Something I wouldn’t trust 300lb cordage to. Just food for thought.
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I'm on the same journey (just got my doyle's hoist and have a fleece bag for it from Dano on the way). I haven't read all the replies yet which I will as I sip my coffee. I will mostly pull my bow with this. When I tree stand hunt, I might also pull a pack (add 10 pounds or so).
My ideas so far are: 1. mini black diamond carabiner.....these are not climb rated but are very strong and you aren't breaking them, down side is they are aluminum and loud (have wire gate), 2. plastic carabiner from Dano, probably not as strong as the metal black diamond carabiners but quieter and probably strong enough, and 3. Nite ize S-biner ( of the appropriate size, probably a mediumish one)....these are similar to the plastic carabiner but probably not as strong.
Here's a way to incorporate these options with knots that will make it stronger and quieter.
Go a foot or so away from end end of the line and tie a loop in line but leave the rest of the line as a long tag end. Tie another loop in the very end of the tap end, so you have two knotted loops 6 or so inches apart. Attach the clip/carabiner to the top loop. When you want to connect, snake the tag end through the gear to hoist and then attach its loop to the carabiner/clip (so you now have a large loop held together with the clip). This way, the carabiner/clip never touches gear to make a noise. Also, it makes the setup twice as strong. Let's say your gear to haul is 10 lbs. 5 lbs goes to the side of the line that is a straight shot of cord (except inline loop knot) and the other 5 goes to the side with the clip, so your clip sees half the weight.
My ideas so far are: 1. mini black diamond carabiner.....these are not climb rated but are very strong and you aren't breaking them, down side is they are aluminum and loud (have wire gate), 2. plastic carabiner from Dano, probably not as strong as the metal black diamond carabiners but quieter and probably strong enough, and 3. Nite ize S-biner ( of the appropriate size, probably a mediumish one)....these are similar to the plastic carabiner but probably not as strong.
Here's a way to incorporate these options with knots that will make it stronger and quieter.
Go a foot or so away from end end of the line and tie a loop in line but leave the rest of the line as a long tag end. Tie another loop in the very end of the tap end, so you have two knotted loops 6 or so inches apart. Attach the clip/carabiner to the top loop. When you want to connect, snake the tag end through the gear to hoist and then attach its loop to the carabiner/clip (so you now have a large loop held together with the clip). This way, the carabiner/clip never touches gear to make a noise. Also, it makes the setup twice as strong. Let's say your gear to haul is 10 lbs. 5 lbs goes to the side of the line that is a straight shot of cord (except inline loop knot) and the other 5 goes to the side with the clip, so your clip sees half the weight.