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Hanging from GriGri instead of Ropeman?

That makes sense. Yale Bandit has some stretch and the GriGri bounces a little. For my massive 20' rappels I don;'t know if I care THAT much. I already own a 32' tether. It is great with a Ropeman and ATC

My Bluewater Assault 11mm Static doesn't knot well. You have to use it a good bit to get the knots to settle and the end stopper knots always need a checkup. I am currently using it for my extra Aider tether etc. When it was NEW, my tether would just slide down the tree if I unloaded it and it was't double wrapped or being held with a hook or with a constrictor band. I hated that.

My Bluewater 9mm accessory cord (not as strong as HTP) feels stiff hanging off the tree. When I am advancing the tether to climb up a tree (Seat Climber, Aider etc) it tends to stick a little. At least it doesn't bust loose and slide down the tree.
 
Sterling 9mm HTP looks to be 4.1 lbs per 100'. The 3/8" is almost 2# heavier about the same as Yale Bandit

This HTP should be pretty bombproof
 
The Tie off works great by the way. You can stand up and unload the GriGri and then hang back down on it. If your knot it loose, you will slip just a little bit every time you do it. (like an inch).

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Has anyone ever thought about a petzl grillon. Almost identical to the grigri but it can be used as a work positioner where as some info I've seen the grigri slips under static loads. The grillin doesn't. Petzl recommends their 11mil rope as the only rope that should've used in a grillon but you can buy it in lengths up to 50 meters. Tie a loop in the end with a figure 8 and use this as a tree hitch. I don't know if the grillin is rated for repels, but I think it would be ok for 30 feet.
 
I wouldn't trust the grillon to save my life in a fall, so I would back mine up with a prussik--I'm about 120 kg and pretzl recommends at this weight the climber reduce their risk of maxing the allotted fall kn rating by free falling less than .5 meters.
 
Tony said:
I wouldn't trust the grillon to save my life in a fall, so I would back mine up with a prussik--I'm about 120 kg and pretzl recommends at this weight the climber reduce their risk of maxing the allotted fall kn rating by free falling less than .5 meters.
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Wow Tony, you must be really really up in northern vermont. You're giving us all your info in kg and meters!!! :p:p:p
 
Ha I'm like 5min from the Canada border. But the kg and Kn is how ANSI rates all the climbing gear I use at work. I pay it more mind than some because I'm a fat boy and there are special precautions I need to take. Like limiting my free fall distance on my lanyards to avoid catastrophic failure should I take a dive. The loads placed on equipment at 120 kg /260lbs are tremendously different than a 160 lb guy-obviously. Like for instance ansi says 1960 (?) lbs of force is the threshold a climbers body can withstand well that's like a free fall of 10 feet for a 196 lb guy and like 7 feet for me at 260 lbs
 
Tony said:
Ha I'm like 5min from the Canada border. But the kg and Kn is how ANSI rates all the climbing gear I use at work. I pay it more mind than some because I'm a fat boy and there are special precautions I need to take. Like limiting my free fall distance on my lanyards to avoid catastrophic failure should I take a dive. The loads placed on equipment at 120 kg /260lbs are tremendously different than a 160 lb guy-obviously. Like for instance ansi says 1960 (?) lbs of force is the threshold a climbers body can withstand well that's like a free fall of 10 feet for a 196 lb guy and like 7 feet for me at 260 lbs
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Gotcha! And I'm definitely just teasing. I use metric everyday too. I'm glad to see you know your stuff when it comes to the numbers. Good stuff!
 
But seriously check out the grillon. Lol. Im like a kid before Christmas here with hunting and cool stuff for saddles
 
Tony said:
some info I've seen the grigri slips under static loads.
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Ummm....sure. 6kn!

"Slipping GriGri" is user error. If you unload a GriGri standing up even just a little on your platform, it will disengage. If you just slowly lean back, you WILL fall. But just a little and it will catch you...and you'll have to change your shorts.

If you slowly lean back and then catch yourself and continue to stumble...it STILL won't likely catch you until you REALLY fall and then it grabs. That is the problem with the GriGri. And the AntiPanic mode is the same. If you pull the handle very hard on a short Rappel *I'm usually only 15' up* you'll be on or near the ground before anti panic kicks in. Won't be a free fall but you might not like it.

The tie off stops that. Today, I was standing up and then slowly sitting. Moves maybe an inch. Then I would try standing up and sitting back hard...no problem with the tie off. And it isn't relying on that second carabiner in the picture. The tie off does the work. The 2nd biner is just a fail safe.

Another thing I was testing for is whether the tie off could get jammed if I loaded it hard. NO. Super easy to untie by just pulling the tail.

But moral of the Story: There is no reason that your GriGri should be catching a fall when Saddlehunting. If it does, it will hurt if you are on static rope. GriGri stops faster than a device like an ATC. So combine a more sudden braking with a more sudden rope stop. Your fall better not be more than a few inches.
 
justsomedude said:
Ummm....sure. 6kn!

"Slipping GriGri" is user error. If you unload a GriGri standing up even just a little on your platform, it will disengage. If you just slowly lean back, you WILL fall. But just a little and it will catch you...and you'll have to change your shorts.

If you slowly lean back and then catch yourself and continue to stumble...it STILL won't likely catch you until you REALLY fall and then it grabs. That is the problem with the GriGri. And the AntiPanic mode is the same. If you pull the handle very hard on a short Rappel *I'm usually only 15' up* you'll be on or near the ground before anti panic kicks in. Won't be a free fall but you might not like it.

The tie off stops that. Today, I was standing up and then slowly sitting. Moves maybe an inch. Then I would try standing up and sitting back hard...no problem with the tie off. And it isn't relying on that second carabiner in the picture. The tie off does the work. The 2nd biner is just a fail safe.

Another thing I was testing for is whether the tie off could get jammed if I loaded it hard. NO. Super easy to untie by just pulling the tail.

But moral of the Story: There is no reason that your GriGri should be catching a fall when Saddlehunting. If it does, it will hurt if you are on static rope. GriGri stops faster than a device like an ATC. So combine a more sudden braking with a more sudden rope stop. Your fall better not be more than a few inches.
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Didnt you post some test results a while back? Grigri2 was bombproof.

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There was a video of a 400# static drop test that crimped the rope but the GriGri was ok. I do wish it didn't disengage so easily. I was so used to the Ropeman and never had to worry about that...just had to worry about my tether sliding down.

Now when I adjust my tether, I grab my bridge and the tail of the rope just below the GriGri with my right hand and grab the tether with my left. Keeps everything locked up nicely (if I am not tied off already). If I am pausing descent to tear down my platform, I do leg wraps.

OR I use an AutoBlock. Still on the fence about that.
 
Anyone have a lot of experience with the Mad Rock Lifeguard?

I just messed around a little with mine...

I tried repelling down my 30ft HSS tether, and it was pretty tough to get sliding down slowly... I had to pull pretty hard on the lever to get started then it would go too fast... maybe I'm doing something wrong, or the rope is too thick...
 
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bubba g said:
Anyone have a lot of experience with the Mad Rock Lifeguard?

I just messed around a little with mine...

I tried repelling down my 30ft HSS tether, and it was pretty tough to get sliding down slowly... I had to pull pretty hard on the lever to get started then it would go too fast... maybe I'm doing something wrong, or the toe is too thick...
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If it's like the GriGri, you really have to control your speed with the brake hand too and not just the handle
 
justsomedude said:
There was a video of a 400# static drop test that crimped the rope but the GriGri was ok. I do wish it didn't disengage so easily. I was so used to the Ropeman and never had to worry about that...just had to worry about my tether sliding down.

Now when I adjust my tether, I grab my bridge and the tail of the rope just below the GriGri with my right hand and grab the tether with my left. Keeps everything locked up nicely (if I am not tied off already). If I am pausing descent to tear down my platform, I do leg wraps.

OR I use an AutoBlock. Still on the fence about that.
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bubba g said:
Anyone have a lot of experience with the Mad Rock Lifeguard?

I just messed around a little with mine...

I tried repelling down my 30ft HSS tether, and it was pretty tough to get sliding down slowly... I had to pull pretty hard on the lever to get started then it would go too fast... maybe I'm doing something wrong, or the rope is too thick...
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I bought one and really wanted to like it, smaller, lighter and all metal. Personally though I'm going to stick with my GriGri2. The spring in the Madrock is heavier so it takes more effort to pull it over and I noticed the same issue I think you are voicing. It's just not as smooth on the rappel as the GriGri2. Might also be that I'm using 10.5mm rope which may a tighter fit in the GriGri vs. the Madrock.

The other thing I noticed while doing a little ground test with both is that I'm not sure the Madrock will catch a fall as quick as the GriGri2. While standing on the ground with the rope loose and backing away from the tree the GriGri2 would cam over and catch within a step or two. The Madrock never cammed over and the rope just fed freely through it. Tried it several times with both and always got the same results. I think the Madrock is probably the better belay device but I'm sticking with the GriGri2 for hunting.
 
justsomedude said:
There was a video of a 400# static drop test that crimped the rope but the GriGri was ok. I do wish it didn't disengage so easily. I was so used to the Ropeman and never had to worry about that...just had to worry about my tether sliding down.

Now when I adjust my tether, I grab my bridge and the tail of the rope just below the GriGri with my right hand and grab the tether with my left. Keeps everything locked up nicely (if I am not tied off already). If I am pausing descent to tear down my platform, I do leg wraps.

OR I use an AutoBlock. Still on the fence about that.
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Do you mean that you wrap the tail end of the rope around your leg, or that you're using an autoblock attached to a leg loop?

I never thought of putting a couple loops around your leg for friction, seems like it would work and be very quick.

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