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Lead rope/strap

Optimized-Tether on tree closeup.JPG I use 7/16” static kernmantle rope as my tether. I like the rope as a tether because it’s easily replaceable and strong.

The frustration has always been that the tether likes to slide down the tree. In the past, I have solved this problem one of two ways: First, If I’m hunting land that allows me to screw into a tree I screw a Cranford folding tree step as high up as I can reach and place my tether over the step. The step keeps the rope from slipping down the tree and also doubles as my bow hook. Second, If I’m hunting public land I run the tag end of my tether through the loop twice. The second pass through the loop does an okay job at minimizing the hassle of the rope sliding down but if I need to get over a branch it's a bit of a pain.

I’ve always wondered though whether the second pass through the loop acts like a knot? That is, does the second pass through minimize the ropes strength much like a knot does? I don’t know the answer but I suspect it does while under load. I’ve also wondered if draping the rope over the Cranford tree step/bow hook also minimizes the strength.

I like things that are over engineered, especially when my life depends on it. The logic part of my brain tells me that a double looped 7/16” static kernmantle rope tether that’s also hung over a climbing step in all likelihood still has plenty of strength in reserve. But the survival part of my brain kept me thinking for a third alternative that would solve the problem of rope slippage without sacrificing any of the strength inherent in the rope (over and above the strength loss from the figure 8 on a bite that forms the loop).

That third alternative is calf castration bands. Castration bands are strong little rubber bands the size of a cheerio. They are very durable. A bag of 100 costs less than $2.00 at Farm and Fleet. I place a castration band on the tether loop and roll it back until it abuts the figure 8 knot. Than when the tether is on the tree I roll the band forward until it abuts the end of the loop...this takes the slack out of the loop and works nicely to keep the rope in place.

I have a spare band on my bridge carabiner and another spare on the loop of the tether. The band(s) on the loop stay in place because the looping end of the loop has a wider diameter than the end of the loop at the figure 8 knot.

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Welcome. Good to have a climber here. Ropeman 1 is our preferred tool for tether and lineman, it requires larger diameter rope than what you suggested. Do you have an alternative use to the Ropeman that handles smaller line?

Rope man, Gri Gri, Shunts, micro ascenders etc. are all nice.

I'm trying to get the weight of my TL tree saddle based saddle hunting system down to minimum weight...on a MINIMAL budget.
So I'm going to use prusiks knots made out of dyneema accessory cord, tied in the dual anchor style for extra strength....nothing of metal will be as light or cheap.

Thanks!
 
I like reducing metal and expensive equipment as much as the next guy, but the Ropeman works too well to get rid of. I love it.
 
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I’ve always wondered though whether the second pass through the loop acts like a knot? That is, does the second pass through minimize the ropes strength much like a knot does?

I like things that are over engineered, especially when my life depends on it.

That third alternative is calf castration bands. Castration bands are strong little rubber bands the size of a cheerio. They are very durable. A bag of 100 costs less than $2.00 at Farm and Fleet. I place a castration band on the tether loop and roll it back until it abuts the figure 8 knot. Than when the tether is on the tree I roll the band forward until it abuts the end of the loop...this takes the slack out of the loop and works nicely to keep the rope in place.
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Great ideas!
Yes when you put a rope in a significant bend of any kind it is weakened just as a knot weakens a rope. For this reason:
Think of a tight turn in a road or river.
It's a lot further to walk around the outside of the bend. It's far less distance around the inside of a bend.
Think of the loose fibers that are in the core of a rope when in a tight bend: the fibers on the outside of the bend are stretched quite tight. They are holding The bulk of the weight. The fibers in the middle of the inner bundle are snug holding a minor part of the weight and the fibers on the inside of the bend actually bunch up and are not holding much weight if any at all.
In vert. Rope rescue... IIRC we tried to never route the rope at an angle greater than 45 Dec if we could help it.
But many times we couldn't help it.

Love the idea of using the castration bands. Last night I practiced climbing with just an aider and yes my tether kept coming quite loose.

I'll get castration bands. Thanks!
 
Regarding bends in a rope I should add that the length of the bend is just as important as how tight the bend is.
For example is a rope goes 180 around a single caregiver at an anchor point it has been weakened a good bit. However if the rope went through 3 carabiners on the same anchor it wouldnt be weakened near as much due to the longer more gentle bend.
 
Regarding bends in a rope I should add that the length of the bend is just as important as how tight the bend is.
For example is a rope goes 180 around a single caregiver at an anchor point it has been weakened a good bit. However if the rope went through 3 carabiners on the same anchor it wouldnt be weakened near as much due to the longer more gentle bend.
Thanks for the education on on rope strength vs knots/loops under load. Good to have climber experience here.
 
DXD. Thank you for the idea.

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How will you adjust it? A splice to an adjustable 'whoopie sling'?

Fixed length tether with adjustable bridge. Worked well on 2 different trees in the yard, didn't hang for any length of time. Stuff is so light and packable.
 
DXD. Thank you for the idea.

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Together we hunt alone.

Legal Disclaimer: Remember what your mother taught you, “Just because all your friends put castration bands on their climbing ropes prior to jumping of a bridge doesn’t mean you should too.” A castration band should only be used for its intended purpose, castration. Castration bands are not a climbing aid and should never be applied to any climbing rope. Doing so may result in falling, severe injury or even death…ironically, preferred by many over actual castration.
 
Fixed length tether with adjustable bridge. Worked well on 2 different trees in the yard, didn't hang for any length of time. Stuff is so light and packable.

I can't stop thinking about how strong and light my beloved Amsteel Blue is. If I replaced my tether with 1/4" it would be stronger, lighter, smaller, cheaper, more packable, and easier to handle than the 11mm Assault Line I'm using now. The down side is durability (less abrasion resistant) and adjustablity (no ropeman).

Talk me through your setup @kenn1320
 
I can't stop thinking about how strong and light my beloved Amsteel Blue is. If I replaced my tether with 1/4" it would be stronger, lighter, smaller, cheaper, more packable, and easier to handle than the 11mm Assault Line I'm using now. The down side is durability (less abrasion resistant) and adjustablity (no ropeman).

Talk me through your setup @kenn1320
Get a kong duck and use the ultra tech instead. I love amsteel but without an outer sheath for protection it is going to wear down quickly.
 
Together we hunt alone.

Legal Disclaimer: Remember what your mother taught you, “Just because all your friends put castration bands on their climbing ropes prior to jumping of a bridge doesn’t mean you should too.” A castration band should only be used for its intended purpose, castration. Castration bands are not a climbing aid and should never be applied to any climbing rope. Doing so may result in falling, severe injury or even death…ironically, preferred by many over actual castration.


Seriously, I have played around with this a bunch in the yard. Different ropes - I'm switching up.
And these things are awesome. I sent out a bunch of packages this weekend to folks here and I included a half dozen of these in each so others could try them out. Not just for this - I've already fallen in love with them for many reasons.

Castration bands... they aren't just cool to shoot at friends' eyes any more.




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Seriously, I have played around with this a bunch in the yard. Different ropes - I'm switching up.
And these things are awesome. I sent out a bunch of packages this weekend to folks here and I included a half dozen of these in each so others could try them out. Not just for this - I've already fallen in love with them for many reasons.

Castration bands... they aren't just cool to shoot at friends' eyes any more.




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Send me some!
 
Seriously, I have played around with this a bunch in the yard. Different ropes - I'm switching up.
And these things are awesome. I sent out a bunch of packages this weekend to folks here and I included a half dozen of these in each so others could try them out. Not just for this - I've already fallen in love with them for many reasons.

Castration bands... they aren't just cool to shoot at friends' eyes any more.




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Here is one more reason...make diy shooting sticks out of 4 castration bands and 2 fiberglass electric fence poles (type "castration shooting sticks" into google search).
 
Here is one more reason...make diy shooting sticks out of 4 castration bands and 2 fiberglass electric fence poles (type "castration shooting sticks" into google search).

How hard are they to open up without a special tool.
 
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