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Lead rope/strap

Thanks Red. I was trying to do a weight comparison myself with several ropes.

But one rope would be lbs per 100yds, next ozs per foot, another would be grams per meter, KGs/ 100 meters... My excel sheet got too complicated for a Friday!!!
 
Maustypsu said:
Thanks Red. I was trying to do a weight comparison myself with several ropes.

But one rope would be lbs per 100yds, next ozs per foot, another would be grams per meter, KGs/ 100 meters... My excel sheet got too complicated for a Friday!!!
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LOL
 
No nicks so far, but my retractable dog leash has some nicks and I can't fathom how that happened. Im still looking at amsteel, way lighter than the runner sling to boot.
 
DaveT1963 said:
Red which is stronger a spliced or sewn one? I am going to give the Sampson Ultratech 8mm a shot as my bridge. Already using the 9mm as a tether
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Great question, and one I didn't really know the answer to. Maybe some of the climbing guys can chime in.
Just doing a quick search, most of the stuff I read really said it was personal preference. This was the only article that I found that mentioned a sewn eye being stronger, and a sewn eye is more compact too.
http://www.treeservicesmagazine.com...-is-knot-a-splice-or-a-stitch-and-vice-versa/
That samson stuff is some pretty bad ass stuff huh? I love it so far.
 
redsquirrel said:
The concern with webbing (especially the size of runners IMO) is that a small nick in the runner could easily go unnoticed, so a small nick in the runner could lead to a catastraphic failure. A small nick on a piece of rope (climbing rope with an outer sheath and an inner core) is less likely to lead to a catastraphic failure because the rope has the outer sheath. It is the difference between getting down and replacing your gear vs getting down the hard way...

All of that being said I have used the think webbing on the tree saddle for a tether for a long time and I think that is very safe. It is the smaller sized webbing runners that concern me because it is a big difference between a 1/4" cut in a 1" runner vs a 1/4" cut in a 2 inch piece of webbing. If you do a google search you can see the rock climbing guys debate webbing vs rope all the time. Its always so temping because the webbing is so light. If is up to everyone to make their own risk evaluations.
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This discussion about accidentally nicking a 1” climbing sling (bridge) causing failure brought me to the Bluewater Rhino Dual layer Anchor Loop (sku: 757000… https://www.bluewaterropes.com/product/rhino-dual-layer-anchor-loop/). I like the fact that it has an orange inner core…if you see orange it’s time to replace. However, I can’t live with the yellow outer core. So I’m considering modifying a 1” X 24” Climb-Spec Sling (SKU 761100… https://www.bluewaterropes.com/product/rhino-dual-layer-anchor-loop/) by sewing it together with the exception of 2” on each end. This would in effect create a thicker (more impervious to the accidental nick failure scenario) bridge. Does anyone see any holes in this logic? Would sewing degrade the tensile strength, increase the tensile strength or be a wash?
 
My feeling is this and it is safety first. Some on this site use equipment outside the manufacturers recommendation and I personally don't without several hours of testing. Remember that is that alot of R&D goes into testing these products for the most optimal and safe results. I don't think what the guys using outside manufacturers recommendations is necessarily wrong and I am pretty confident that most are putting in the time to test their gear. With that said you should just really take the time and test extensively before making the climb. If unsure just call the manufacturer and see what they say.
 
MCDM said:
My feeling is this and it is safety first. Some on this site use equipment outside the manufacturers recommendation and I personally don't without several hours of testing. Remember that is that alot of R&D goes into testing these products for the most optimal and safe results. I don't think what the guys using outside manufacturers recommendations is necessarily wrong and I am pretty confident that most are putting in the time to test their gear. With that said you should just really take the time and test extensively before making the climb. If unsure just call the manufacturer and see what they say.
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Couldn't say it better myself.
 
MCDM said:
My feeling is this and it is safety first. Some on this site use equipment outside the manufacturers recommendation and I personally don't without several hours of testing. Remember that is that alot of R&D goes into testing these products for the most optimal and safe results. I don't think what the guys using outside manufacturers recommendations is necessarily wrong and I am pretty confident that most are putting in the time to test their gear. With that said you should just really take the time and test extensively before making the climb. If unsure just call the manufacturer and see what they say.
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Agreed. There is no weight savings or innovation worth getting hurt over.
 
You would be suprised at what you will here from a manufacturer. Today I spoke with two regarding harness and the application of hunting. Both were suprised that a market for such items existed (maybe I should get a cut on R&D LOL like G2 and Sitdrags :grinning:) and neither of the two did not say "No" too any application that I explained. However they did not fully recommend at the same time. It was sorta of a gray area but stressed to make a safety assessment as their products were not specifically developed for that but did see how safe climbing could take place (my focus was on ascent primarily with a linesmans belt). My feeling is it can't hurt to try but in a safe way. As the level of safety goes up one can really then push to a limit (its a balance).

Just wanted to add:

I am on this site everyday and it is amazing the innovation going on with the members throughout this community. Each mod you will see pushes the limits of saddle hunting which is great. Some day one of us or maybe a group of us can form a business entity and take it mainstream and in a whole new direction. Its amazing we have many generations of outdoors man on here and all are extremely positive, safe, calculated, and have a desire to evolve.
 
I'm new around here and have yet to switch over to rope tethers, bridges etc from my standard TL saddle's heavy military webbing bridge & mil webbing tether...I'm working on converting to rope right now... but I'm an old hand at climbing stuff.

I just bought 20' of BlueWater Titan( = dyneema) 5mm accessory cord to make a tether and a bridge from.

I think you guys need to look at climbing accessory cord made from dyneema. It's WAY stronger than nylon- 5mm Dyneema is as strong as 8mm nylon kernmantle!

5mm nylon acc. cord = about 1100 lb. tensile
5mm Dyneema cord = about 3100 lb.
3/16" Amsteel = about 4900 lb.

Dyneema is really strong stuff without the drawbacks of Amstee with itl being so slippery** and being a hollow braid. **(I'm a knot guy, and in trying to lighten my saddle hunting rig I want to avoid bring any metal onboard that I don't have to.)
If you damage the outer fibers of Amsteel you have degraded it's strength in direct proportion to the amount of damaged fibers. Dyneema cord is made kernmantle and like all kernmantle the sheath contributes to very little of the overall strength. Fuzz up some fibers on the sheath of the dyneema stuff and you have lost minuscule strength- climb on!

Also It's quite stiff for it's given diameter which would lend it to being made into a good linemans belt that is stiff enough to have a good flip up the back of the tree despite the small dia. I like the stiffness for all things (static) climbing- the line "stands" well and is easy to clip to and manipulate one handed due to the stiffness, far more than a soft line.
 
Ex Umbra said:
I'm new around here and have yet to switch over to rope tethers, bridges etc from my standard TL saddle's heavy military webbing bridge & mil webbing tether...I'm working on converting to rope right now... but I'm an old hand at climbing stuff.

I just bought 20' of BlueWater Titan( = dyneema) 5mm accessory cord to make a tether and a bridge from.

I think you guys need to look at climbing accessory cord made from dyneema. It's WAY stronger than nylon- 5mm Dyneema is as strong as 8mm nylon kernmantle!

5mm nylon acc. cord = about 1100 lb. tensile
5mm Dyneema cord = about 3100 lb.
3/16" Amsteel = about 4900 lb.

Dyneema is really strong stuff without the drawbacks of Amstee with itl being so slippery** and being a hollow braid. **(I'm a knot guy, and in trying to lighten my saddle hunting rig I want to avoid bring any metal onboard that I don't have to.)
If you damage the outer fibers of Amsteel you have degraded it's strength in direct proportion to the amount of damaged fibers. Dyneema cord is made kernmantle and like all kernmantle the sheath contributes to very little of the overall strength. Fuzz up some fibers on the sheath of the dyneema stuff and you have lost minuscule strength- climb on!

Also It's quite stiff for it's given diameter which would lend it to being made into a good linemans belt that is stiff enough to have a good flip up the back of the tree despite the small dia. I like the stiffness for all things (static) climbing- the line "stands" well and is easy to clip to and manipulate one handed due to the stiffness, far more than a soft line.
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Welcome. Good to have a climber here. Ropeman 1 is our preferred tool for tether and lineman, it requires larger diameter rope than what you suggested. Do you have an alternative use to the Ropeman that handles smaller line?
 
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