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NEW Daisy Chain style tether option

On a stick maybe, but after seeing how easy they break I wouldn't want to use one as a tether and slip.
 
kenn1320 said:
On a stick maybe, but after seeing how easy they break I wouldn't want to use one as a tether and slip.
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They don't break that easy. Those weird videos are a mockup showing what would happen if a loop blew out and you were connected a certain way.
 
justsomedude said:
They don't break that easy. Those weird videos are a mockup showing what would happen if a loop blew out and you were connected a certain way.
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Yep and I'd be scared I hooked up wrong the whole time I was hunting. Lol
 
kenn1320 said:
On a stick maybe, but after seeing how easy they break I wouldn't want to use one as a tether and slip.
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That was the difference with this one, it is woven, so it won't break as easy as the sewn ones. I thought it might work for hanging sticks.
 
The Dutchware woven daisy chains have a higher load rating than both the rope Muddy uses, and the LW buckle/straps. How could anyone think they aren't sufficient? They're perfectly safe.
 
Be careful guys. If you look at the picture that Ontariofarmer posted you'll notice the strap is pulling up on the versa button. The versa button is mabe to have equal force pulling in opposite directions equalizing the load on the bolt. Pulling in one direction only is a sure way to snap the bolt....

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ricky racer said:
Be careful guys. If you look at the picture G2 posted you'll notice the strap is pulling up on the versa button. The versa button is mabe to have equal force pulling in opposite directions equalizing the load on the bolt. Pulling in one direction only is a sure way to snap the bolt....
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I think if you are correct a daisy chain should not be used because sag is unavoidable it is a grade 8 bolt


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To me whether it works or not is a mote point I'll tote the two ounces for peace of mind, I would rather err on the side of caution. To me, if I can save weight and have the same tensile strength or higher then I would definitely do it but not if it is going to be lower. Just my personal opinion that standards are set for a reason and deviating from them for such a small savings in weight would not be something I would do. When I climb a tree to hunt I want to stack the odds in my favor as much as possible that if something should fail I have the maximum amount of protection as possible in such an event. This is just my personal opinion and I'm not telling anyone else what to do or trying to push my beliefs on anyone either, I just feel safety should always be something we strive to make our number one concern.

Roger,
 
Stykbow1 said:
To me whether it works or not is a mote point I'll tote the two ounces for peace of mind, I would rather err on the side of caution. To me, if I can save weight and have the same tensile strength or higher then I would definitely do it but not if it is going to be lower. Just my personal opinion that standards are set for a reason and deviating from them for such a small savings in weight would not be something I would do. When I climb a tree to hunt I want to stack the odds in my favor as much as possible that if something should fail I have the maximum amount of protection as possible in such an event. This is just my personal opinion and I'm not telling anyone else what to do or trying to push my beliefs on anyone either, I just feel safety should always be something we strive to make our number one concern.

Roger,
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Definitely, since this and the amsteel daisy chain mod are 5-6 times as strong as the normal cam buckle, it really comes down to if you think the versa button is getting too much stress.

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I think the breaking strength of a 1/4 20 grade 8 is over 4500lbs? If you break one on a climbing stick you've done something.


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If we're talking safety, you should ditch the LW buckles altogether. Amsteel and the woven daisy chain are both stronger.

Also, I've never had the straps on my LW sticks come off the versa button in a perfectly horizontal line. The stick always slides down once you apply a load. There's always going to be upward pressure on that bolt.

@ImThere according to Google, you're right about that breaking strength. No need to worry about that bolt breaking. If it does, your lineman belt should stop you from falling to your death.

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I thought that the original thread talked about using it as a tether? That is why I said it is a mote point, why would you trade something rated over 5000 pounds for something that is half that strength? I thought you were talking about hanging from it.

Roger,
 
Stykbow1 said:
I thought that the original thread talked about using it as a tether? That is why I said it is a mote point, why would you trade something rated over 5000 pounds for something that is half that strength? I thought you were talking about hanging from it.

Roger,
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That was the original thread. It wandered into using it for Stick mods.
I’ll hang from Daisy chains and Personal Anchor systems for temporary stuff.

But I didn’t like the way they get fuzzed out on trees when used too heavily
 
justsomedude said:
That was the original thread. It wandered into using it for Stick mods.
I’ll hang from Daisy chains and Personal Anchor systems for temporary stuff.

But I didn’t like the way they get fuzzed out on trees when used too heavily
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Ok, gotcha JSD I thought it was going to be replacing the tree rope to hang from. There are a lot of reasons to like webbing some of the stuff is incredibly strong and abrasion resistant. Also as you pointed out in another thread it packs well and takes up less room and in certain situations may even hang up less than rope.

Thanks,

Roger
 
ImThere said:
I think the breaking strength of a 1/4 20 grade 8 is over 4500lbs? If you break one on a climbing stick you've done something.
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That 4500# is tinsel strength, the amount of force required to pull the bolt in half with a straight inline pull. I guarantee you that if you take a 1/4" grade 8 bolt in a vise, slip a 1 foot piece of pipe over the bolt and give it a good pull, you'll break the bolt. Myself, I wouldn't feel comfortable trusting my life using that setup.
 
I’d be cautious too (because I’m a chicken!) but I use Grade 8 bolts for treesteos and platforms. They’re halfway into the tree with my full weight pushing them down.

ZERO signs of bending after quite a bit of use.

I would think the sticks would put less pressure than that wouldn’t they?
 
justsomedude said:
I’d be cautious too (because I’m a chicken!) but I use Grade 8 bolts for treesteos and platforms. They’re halfway into the tree with my full weight pushing them down.

ZERO signs of bending after quite a bit of use.

I would think the sticks would put less pressure than that wouldn’t they?
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Are you using 1/4" or 3/8" bolts?
 
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