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So you thought I was nuts when it came to the swaider/knaider.....

pesqimon said:
Let me put some gas on the crazy:

Instead of 1” strap how about an amsteel daisy chain girth hitched to tree?
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I was thinking something similar. Maybe make a device that is just a “versa button” with a hook under it and a piece of daisy chain.


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Ok. After rereading the thread, I think I understand the concept better. You're looking at making 4-5 straps and place 1 every 4 feet or so. The strap will be left there and removed during the climb down. For some reason I thought you were going to kind of pull each strap on the way up.

I may look into making something similar to "2 strap" up a tree and rappel down.

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I've been thinking this same way sence August but couldn't rap my head around having a hook hanging out at chest height if I slipped! I've lost to many fingers already and certain things, like climbing with a ring on, I just can't do. Any concern about this?
 
Flint said:
I've been thinking this same way sence August but couldn't rap my head around having a hook hanging out at chest height if I slipped! I've lost to many fingers already and certain things, like climbing with a ring on, I just can't do. Any concern about this?
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ok, I have to ask, how many fingers have you lost already?
 
pesqimon said:
Let me put some gas on the crazy:

Instead of 1” strap how about an amsteel daisy chain girth hitched to tree?
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I would expect an amsteel daisy chain to roll over on itself and slightly down the tree more easily than a flat strap secured with a cinch buckle. I'm sure it could still work, but the strap would probably be less hassle in trade for it's increased mass/weight.
 
DanO said:
Rappel - makes total sense to rappel in this situation. I do it even when using sticks.
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IF you're going to rappel, I like the idea of using a single stick and aider. Seems like it would be pretty similar to what's going on here, and then you would only have to make a single stop on the way down.

To get even more light, I guess you could try 1 sticking it with the predator and then rappel down.. There couldn't be a lighter system out there than that.
 
DanielB89 said:
IF you're going to rappel, I like the idea of using a single stick and aider. Seems like it would be pretty similar to what's going on here, and then you would only have to make a single stop on the way down.

To get even more light, I guess you could try 1 sticking it with the predator and then rappel down.. There couldn't be a lighter system out there than that.
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It’s a sweet system for sure. Carbon bolts and mini drill is lighter, though.
 
Could you do the same thing but without the buckle/Ratchet and use something similar to a versa strap. Wrap it around, though an eye, and step on the tag end to tighten it down?
 
The Cain method or its variation.. might be more to your liking. I haven’t quite mastered the knaider and swaider. It does take work to master. The Cain method has you using your tether to climb. Seems more secure.
 
Peterk1234 said:
It won't know for sure until I get a few more made up and really push it through its paces, but I am guessing I will get four feet per Tree Strap. Probably can get creative for more height, but I want to keep it safe and focus on another goal, which I did with the knaider/swaider; be able to still do it when I am over 60 years old. I'm 53 now, and time is flying.

I am not going for less "steps" with this. My goal is safety, speed, compact, less weight and no tree damage. If I can't tick off those boxes then WE Steps and knaider/swaider will continue to reign as King for me.
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I'm 61 Peter....k/s is no problem!

I think I'm about to have some WE stepps for sale. Great idea!
 
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Here is a "final" version of what I am thinking about. I made up two and have the original prototype as well for climbing and testing. So far it works quite well. Very easy to set on the tree. Each weighs 7 ounces. Packs down to nothing. I get about 3.5 feet with each one.

You do not have a solid platform like the WE step to stand on but it is plenty stable. I just sewed a second metal loop on the Swaider at knee height so I can stand on both feet when tying on. Not sure I need it but just thinking of some of the heavier guys; it may add additional comfort.

I climbed three high with no issue in the dark. I have to work out how make the knaider/swaider work easily, but it is pretty close just as is. Soon as I can do this in daylight and have someone hold my phone, I will have a vid for you guys.

Need to play around with these on various trees as well. I have strapped the original around a bunch , including one as thin as 4 inches in diameter and have had no issue. Of course things change a bit once you are fifteen feet or so in the air.
Pete

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Thanks for the update! I love where this is going and think this will be the best light weight option. I just ordered a knaider & swaider for this idea alone.
 
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