SRT Guys?

[donnieballgame]

So you want to preset the webbing up in the tree like you have in the picture and use that as your TIP? I'd use some certified screw links, Their much cheaper and stronger than biners! http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=181&item=933

I'm not sure they are easier to use but probably stronger. I'm hoping to set up an anchor after using my XOP Hand Climber to get into a good spot that I would like to hunt again. I could quickly set up the anchor then rappel out, come back in a few days quickly SRT back up. My concern with the screw links is easy of use. I guess it wouldn't be that hard and I could carry a small wrench but am I really gaining that much strength?

 

[brydan]

They don't need to be tightened with a wrench. Finger tight is plenty. They take a few seconds longer to install than a carabiner but unless you're in a really big hurry they're a bomber option and less expensive than triple autolock carabiners (personal choice as the alternative).

Honestly, leaving the webbing up in the tree for animals to chew on and not being able to inspect it before the next climb sketches me out a lot more than the hardware choice.

 

[TheTracker]

They don't need to be tightened with a wrench. Finger tight is plenty. They take a few seconds longer to install than a carabiner but unless you're in a really big hurry they're a bomber option and less expensive than triple autolock carabiners (personal choice as the alternative).

Honestly, leaving the webbing up in the tree for animals to chew on and not being able to inspect it before the next climb sketches me out a lot more than the hardware choice.

I'm not sure they are easier to use but probably stronger. I'm hoping to set up an anchor after using my XOP Hand Climber to get into a good spot that I would like to hunt again. I could quickly set up the anchor then rappel out, come back in a few days quickly SRT back up. My concern with the screw links is easy of use. I guess it wouldn't be that hard and I could carry a small wrench but am I really gaining that much strength?

My screw links are rated for 39kn, The strength isn't the main reason i use them its their price point. Them being stronger is just an added benefit! Brydan makes a valid point, No hardware is going to do you any good if a squirrel has been gnawing on your webbing for 2 days!

 

[donnieballgame]

I agree with your concerns about squirrels but folks leave sticks on trees for a whole season, even ladder stands and hang on stands most of them have webbing on them or rope which isn't much better. I wasn't planning on leaving it all that long, if I'm in a spot that I like, it would be nice to be able to quickly set up the tree for SRT instead of having to XOP hand climb it the next time I hunt that spot. The biggest issue for me is the time savings, I'm much quicker with SRT than XOP Hand climbing.

Also, if I'm not screwing it down tight, isn't that reducing the strength of the whole link? I'm not all that sure but it seems like the strength comes from a continuous loop or both sides(like a carabiner sideloaded or with a clasp not secure) and if one side isn't really secure then it could lose a lot a strength.

 

[TheTracker]

I agree with your concerns about squirrels but folks leave sticks on trees for a whole season, even ladder stands and hang on stands most of them have webbing on them or rope which isn't much better. I wasn't planning on leaving it all that long, if I'm in a spot that I like, it would be nice to be able to quickly set up the tree for SRT instead of having to XOP hand climb it the next time I hunt that spot. The biggest issue for me is the time savings, I'm much quicker with SRT than XOP Hand climbing.

Also, if I'm not screwing it down tight, isn't that reducing the strength of the whole link? I'm not all that sure but it seems like the strength comes from a continuous loop or both sides(like a carabiner sideloaded or with a clasp not secure) and if one side isn't really secure then it could lose a lot a strength.

You should be fine donnie, As for the link you can tighten it down with a small crescent wrench and never have to worry about it!

 

[Ctclimberguy42]

Once you get the screwlink finger snug it would be pretty much full strength. There are quite a few threads on that link. Screwgate carabiners only get finger tight.

 

[Soupy6914]

I agree with your concerns about squirrels but folks leave sticks on trees for a whole season, even ladder stands and hang on stands most of them have webbing on them or rope which isn't much better. I wasn't planning on leaving it all that long, if I'm in a spot that I like, it would be nice to be able to quickly set up the tree for SRT instead of having to XOP hand climb it the next time I hunt that spot. The biggest issue for me is the time savings, I'm much quicker with SRT than XOP Hand climbing.

Also, if I'm not screwing it down tight, isn't that reducing the strength of the whole link? I'm not all that sure but it seems like the strength comes from a continuous loop or both sides(like a carabiner sideloaded or with a clasp not secure) and if one side isn't really secure then it could lose a lot a strength.

I have been leaving repel rings in the tree with webbing instead of delta links super cheap and easy rope retrieval if you can tie an alpine butterfly.

 

[donnieballgame]

I have been leaving repel rings in the tree with webbing instead of delta links super cheap and easy rope retrieval if you can tie an alpine butterfly.

I have no idea what an alpine butterfly is, but I'm sure I can figure it out, that sounds like a great idea. How long have you left them in a tree? Any squirrel issues? What size are they? My Delta screw on my rope is pretty big, not sure it would fit through, I could use the other end I suppose. What strength are they?

 

[Soupy6914]

Here is a link to the rings they are 25Kn and yes you would use the other end of you rope. If it doesn’t have an eye on the end of it. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B019...lling+ring&dpPl=1&dpID=41DKanDaZsL&ref=plSrch

 

[TheTracker]

I have no idea what an alpine butterfly is, but I'm sure I can figure it out, that sounds like a great idea. How long have you left them in a tree? Any squirrel issues? What size are they? My Delta screw on my rope is pretty big, not sure it would fit through, I could use the other end I suppose. What strength are they?

 

[TheTracker]

 

[brydan]

I agree with your concerns about squirrels but folks leave sticks on trees for a whole season, even ladder stands and hang on stands most of them have webbing on them or rope which isn't much better. I wasn't planning on leaving it all that long, if I'm in a spot that I like, it would be nice to be able to quickly set up the tree for SRT instead of having to XOP hand climb it the next time I hunt that spot

I didn't mean in to sound like if something gets left out in the woods for a night it's immediately gonna be shredded and fail the next day. It's more of bigger picture thing with safety equipment that jumps out at me but may not be an issue to others. Climbers have a lot of safety habits that aren't immediately evident but they're important in the big picture.

I was taught from day one that every knot is tied, dressed, and set, 100% regardless if it's a climbing knot or sending up a water bottle. Ropes are coiled neat and straight before they're hung back up. Climbing gear isn't left out in the tree. Gear is inspected before and after service. And it goes on and on.

It's not like if a person fudges on one of those once in a while they're gonna fall out of the tree the next climb. It's a matter of developing good habits all around to keep Murphy from paying a visit

I guess all I'm saying is be cognizant of the corners that are cut. One day isn't a big deal but then it rains so it sits out till next weekend. Then it goes up in another tree and sits for a few more days and a few more days. Next season it's back in the tree doing it again and pretty soon cumulatively that sling has been sitting out in the elements for months. Not to mention, day after day, hanging our life from a piece of gear that can't be inspected until 30 feet off the ground. Not the best place to find out that sling shouldn't be climbed on

 

[bj139]

so you just walk up the tree while pulling down on the rope? Maybe I am missing something

There is a strap attached from the upper carabiner which has a loop for your foot. You stand up then pull in the slack. Sit down. Move Ropeman ascender up and repeat.