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Tethrd Predator Pack Review

Great review! I’m using my Predator pack on the outside molle panel on my Direct Action Dragon Egg and it works great! Since I film I need a slightly larger pack and this on the outside works great to hold my Predator and another Kifaru pouch on the outside for small items
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Does your Kifaro pouch have dividers inside or is it just one open pocket?
 
I will start by saying I have not had the opportunity to hunt while using the Predator Pack yet as our season opens Oct 1 but I've had ample time messing around with it in the back yard, simulating hikes in and setting up in the tree. Overall I am very happy with the pack. I think it serves a multitude of purposes and is a very versatile pack, probably more versatile than it is getting credit for.

The first impression of the pack is that it is well made, just like all of the other Tethrd gear. Yes, it is made in China. Tethrd hasn't hid that fact and they even addressed it in a FB post they made a while back. Given the demand and need to fill orders I understand why they made that decision. I can say, it does not appear to have affected the quality. I am impressed.

The pack fits the predator platform like a glove, duh. That's what it was made for. What I found is that there is still room for other gear in there, although not much. Also, the top doesn't completely close so the risk of something falling out is there. I did find out a water bladder fits pretty well in the pack even with the platform in there. I used a 2L CamelBak for testing. There was a previous post that showed another user doing the same thing, it works. I like that I can keep the feed hose connected to my Tethrd HYS strap to keep it handy and close by. Less movement overall compared to using a water bottle. There are other options for carrying a water bottle as well. More on that later.

The best part of the pack in my opinion is that you can attach lots of accessories and accessory packs utilizing the PALS webbing. I bought a few small packs from Amazon and tried them out. They all work great. You can attach mutiple pouches or just one small pouch and a pouch that holds a water bottle. With two accessory pouches attached I found I had plenty of room for everything else I like to bring with me on a hunt like a grunt tube, headlamp, knife, HYS strap, pull up rope, etc.

As far as climbing methods, I pretty much use sticks exclusively on my run and gun set ups so that is what I attached to the pack. I can say that three muddy pro sticks attach either to the bottom using the accessory straps or you can attach them long ways using the PALS webbing. Both ways felt secure. I imagine that hunters using WE steps will be able to attach those pretty easily as well. Certainly bolts will also pack anywhere on the pack, especially if you use one of the small accessory pouches.

When lashing the sticks verically on the pack using the PALS webbing, I was able to utilize the accessory straps on the bottom of the pack to lash a heavy coat and other layers. I, like many others, like to get mostly dressed once I reach my stand set up. While this won't replace my large backpack for late season, I am confident that I will be able to use this pack well into the colder weather later in the season.

Some cons....obviously you won't be able to pack out an animal with this pack. It is not designed nor meant for that. It has a specific design and purpose. Of course the major complaint we have heard about is the backpack straps that come with it. They do leave much to be desired, but if they had better straps, the cost would be higher....many of us, including me, would have been happy to pay a higher price to have better straps right out of the gate. However, I am sure they wanted to bring the pack to the market ASAP and the stock straps do the trick for now. I am guessing they will eventually sell better straps as an accessory. Smart business move if so. In true Tethrd fashion, they have shown us saddle freaks how to DIY our own upgraded straps. I plan on doing the upgrade myself as soon as I can find the time. Better straps absolutely will help, especially if you're planning on lashing lots of stuff to the pack. If you're a self filmer, this won't fit the bill. You'll still need a larger backpack. BUT, one of the best things about this pack is that the backpack straps are removable and they have MOLLE attachments on the back of the pack which will allow you to attach it to the outside of basically any backpack with ease. I like the idea of having a dedicated pack where my Predator can stay whether I am packing just the Predator and Predator pack in, attaching the pack to a larger backpack or putting it inside of a larger backpack.

In conclusion, this is a home run as far as I'm concerned. I see myself using this pack by itself for 80% of my hunts or so but I am not a self filmer. The rest of the time I will still use it, but just in conjunction with one of my larger packs. For pre set locations this absolutely is perfect. This is also great for early season of course, but like I said, I think it can be utilized far into the season with some mods and add ons. I know that Tethrd is testing a prototype add on pack, that would be a great addition.

Here are some pictures showing some of the accessory packs and set up.

Happy hunting and hang safe.
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Wow, I didnt realize they moved some of their manufacturing to China--thought that USA mad was part of their mission. A little misleading since they have this posted on their site too.

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one downside that i have found in the limited amount of time i have used it. When you add the molle pouches to the outside it obviously adds weight that pulls down and wants to make the pouch open. This isnt an issue when removing the platform but it becomes an issue when inserting the predator back in the pack with the pack on your back. Obviously you can just take the backpack off and use two hands to insert the predator
 
Wow, I didnt realize they moved some of their manufacturing to China--thought that USA mad was part of their mission. A little misleading since they have this posted on their site too.

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Accessories are being made in China because there are no manufacturers here that can do them fast enough. The US sew houses are focused on saddles and saddles only. We haven't mislead anyone and we announced this in an update not long ago.
 
Accessories are being made in China because there are no manufacturers here that can do them fast enough. The US sew houses are focused on saddles and saddles only. We haven't mislead anyone and we announced this in an update not long ago.
So everything that is not a Mantis or a predator is now made in China?

Sorry, I find it extremely misleading and many consumers will as well. The Site says made in USA all over it, and the origins of each products are not listed in the specs or details. "Announcement" curious where? How would a NEW customer ever know about the announcement if they are not part of your social media campaigns and email marketing?
 
Accessories are being made in China because there are no manufacturers here that can do them fast enough.

What’s the thought process in NOT offloading the saddle work as well to China if they can do it faster?





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What’s the thought process in NOT offloading the saddle work as well to China if they can do it faster?





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The value of advertising "made in the usa" which their business was originally built on/around and capitalised on. Hence the lack of the accessories being made in china not being mentioned on their site...
 
"Announcement" curious where? How would a NEW customer ever know about the announcement if they are not part of your social media campaigns and email marketing?

Not sure this addresses the NEW customer portion of your post, but I found the information here:

 
Not sure this addresses the NEW customer portion of your post, but I found the information here:

Yeah, not sure that really helps unless people are already looking for it....kind of like you were :) you don't know, what you don't know.


I understand the reason to not want to make it completely "hey, look at me made in china!" But right now the whole site says "hey look at me made in the usa" so ....
 
I understand the reason to not want to make it completely "hey, look at me made in china!" But right now the whole site says "hey look at me made in the usa" so ....

Well their marketing is really why they are so successful. Wouldn't be good marketing to advertise it as much as the "versatility" or the "reduced weight, reduced bulk" aspects. People still buy it as fast as its made regardless of who is making it. I suspect they will slowly move towards overseas manufacturing especially if their popularity continues to increase.
 
I am disappointed about this too and I really supported and appreciated the fact that Tethrd was/is a new USA start up so I am a little shocked about it but then again, I am not a completely Tethrd customer either. I get what I want from different companies to meet my needs and do not necessarily have any supreme brand loyalty either. However, I do really try to buy USA made products as much as possible. I do agree that they could have been more up front about this with previous customers. They have all of my order history and my email, they could have sent an email out to all of us about this. In the end, it is still America and they have taken considerable risk to start a USA company. I am glad they started this company and inherited the risks to give many, many, many of us the chance to experience saddle hunting with an extremely safe product that is of the highest quality. I will continue to support Tethrd but I do hope they can bring the entire operation back to the USA sometime soon.
 
I assume this won’t be popular but I am not worried about their products being made in China. Sure, they could be more specific on their site but at the end of the day, I want a high-quality product at the best value possible (and within a reasonable timeframe). I, personally, wasn’t more inclined to buy their gear because it was made in the USA.

Also, they just made this switch 2 weeks ago and they made an announcement. It’s not like they’ve been doing this since day one.

I don’t think it’s their responsibility to figure out how to get this info to EVERYONE (old customers, new customers, and prospective customers). Just make an announcement and call it a day. And to say it again, yes, they could be more specific on their website and if they keep things as they are (long-term), I assume they will. But who knows, maybe this is a short-term fix.

So many complained about wait times and they did something to fix that. Now, there are complaints about what they did to fix it.

I do understand that for some people, buying USA-made products are a big deal, and I completely respect that.
 
Whether you agree with the products being made in China or not is pretty much moot point. The fact is the money is still going to an American company who pay taxes and support their local economy in America. Truthfully it’s not Tethrds fault their is no supply chain locally that cannot prop up their entire business and eventually economy of scale would dictate that some of the work would get sourced out anyway.

What’s their other option if not to outsource? Try to find and build manufacturing to support their business? That would assume insane profit margins and cash reserves, or get the cash through other means (loans, selling shares, etc.)

It’s either outsource or the supply slows down to a trickle and people complain about long lead times.

And people have no issue spending on Sitka orFirst Lite when not a single thread is manufactured in the USA. Still good, US owned companies putting money back into the economy.

Last thing I might add is that Chinese sewing and garment production is highly skilled and competitive. It’s the stuff from Pakistan, bangladesh, etc., that you really need to be leery of.


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I assume this won’t be popular but I am not worried about their products being made in China. Sure, they could be more specific on their site but at the end of the day, I want a high-quality product at the best value possible (and within a reasonable timeframe). I, personally, wasn’t more inclined to buy their gear because it was made in the USA.

Also, they just made this switch 2 weeks ago and they made an announcement. It’s not like they’ve been doing this since day one.

I don’t think it’s their responsibility to figure out how to get this info to EVERYONE (old customers, new customers, and prospective customers). Just make an announcement and call it a day. And to say it again, yes, they could be more specific on their website and if they keep things as they are (long-term), I assume they will. But who knows, maybe this is a short-term fix.

So many complained about wait times and they did something to fix that. Now, there are complaints about what they did to fix it.

I do understand that for some people, buying USA-made products are a big deal, and I completely respect that.
I have to say, I just recently took delivery of a second SYS Hauler and did not notice the "Made in China" tag inside of it. I probably would never had noticed if this thread didn't point me to go look. I will say, when I got it I looked at it and noticed some minor differences which I took to be improvements over the one that came with my original Mantis from last year. The workmanship looks very good and the draw string is a little heavier. Overall I am happy with it. While I too try to "Buy USA" I also understand the hard spot the guys from Tethrd are in trying to meet the manufacturing demand. Items like accessory bags, backbands, seat heaters, etc. are not exactly critical life support equipment and if something has to be outsourced I'm glad its these types of items.
 
Whether you agree with the products being made in China or not is pretty much moot point. The fact is the money is still going to an American company who pay taxes and support their local economy in America. Truthfully it’s not Tethrds fault their is no supply chain locally that cannot prop up their entire business and eventually economy of scale would dictate that some of the work would get sourced out anyway.

What’s their other option if not to outsource? Try to find and build manufacturing to support their business? That would assume insane profit margins and cash reserves, or get the cash through other means (loans, selling shares, etc.)

It’s either outsource or the supply slows down to a trickle and people complain about long lead times.

And people have no issue spending on Sitka orFirst Lite when not a single thread is manufactured in the USA. Still good, US owned companies putting money back into the economy.

Last thing I might add is that Chinese sewing and garment production is highly skilled and competitive. It’s the stuff from Pakistan, bangladesh, etc., that you really need to be leery of.


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I don't think the main point here (at least mine) was that China production is bad. It's that people have the right to know the manufacturing origin of the product. It really matters to some consumers. The site says "usa made" all over it. That implies their products are all usa made. The gray area is left there for a marketing bennefit and to appeal to those who it matters with. "Some products usa made" doesnt have that support America ring. Theyre not lying, but they're purposely omitting details (like the shiping updates). Just a shady marketing practice lacking transperancy and honesty to me.
 
I have to say, I just recently took delivery of a second SYS Hauler and did not notice the "Made in China" tag inside of it. I probably would never had noticed if this thread didn't point me to go look. I will say, when I got it I looked at it and noticed some minor differences which I took to be improvements over the one that came with my original Mantis from last year. The workmanship looks very good and the draw string is a little heavier. Overall I am happy with it. While I too try to "Buy USA" I also understand the hard spot the guys from Tethrd are in trying to meet the manufacturing demand. Items like accessory bags, backbands, seat heaters, etc. are not exactly critical life support equipment and if something has to be outsourced I'm glad its these types of items.
Sounds like the versa straps/etc. Are also Chinese made.
 
I don't think the main point here (at least mine) was that China production is bad. It's that people have the right to know the manufacturing origin of the product. It really matters to some consumers. The site says "usa made" all over it. That implies their products are all usa made. The gray area is left there for a marketing bennefit and to appeal to those who it matters with. "Some products usa made" doesnt have that support America ring. Theyre not lying, but they're purposely omitting details (like the shiping updates). Just a shady marketing practice lacking transperancy and honesty to me.

Once they staff up to have a full time marketing department I’m sure all of these things will be addressed in a more timely manner, but until then I doubt anyone at Tethrd is trying to intentionally deceive anyone regarding product origin or lead times and shipping updates. We’re talking about a company that is less than a dozen people, many putting in crazy hours to meet the current surge in demand for their products.


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