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Who has snorted the Fairy Dust?

slonstdy said:
It works!
Two years ago on an 8 point that was on the move. No time to range, just framed him in the sight picture and let it fly. Ranged it afterwards at 23 yards. 585gr with 125gr Samurai single bevel at 240fps. He went 50 yards.
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It was definitely a learning curve with me because I’ve shot pins my whole life.
 
Plebe said:
So you were having problems at close range with deer hearing your lighter arrow system and moving before impact, but now that you have a heavy arrow system you are experiencing greater success at close range?
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You know I went back and read some of the post and my thoughts. I may have started towards heavy because of a bad shot I made but it’s progressed to making a quieter shot. I know many of people look at pass through and all the ranch fairy jazz but bow hunting is about being close and silent. Wouldn’t the ultimate goal of a heavy arrow be to benefit close shots unless your going to Africa. Then that is different. Just a thought. Not directed at @Plebe. He just asked the question that got me to thinking.
 
slonstdy said:
It works!
Two years ago on an 8 point that was on the move. No time to range, just framed him in the sight picture and let it fly. Ranged it afterwards at 23 yards. 585gr with 125gr Samurai single bevel at 240fps. He went 50 yards.
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Sounds very precise and repeatable.
 
Weldabeast said:
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I'm not sure if he's bragging that his broadhead failed?

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From the text: "the Rage Hypodermic Broadhead has two blades that move into position upon impact of the target. The two blades are made of metal and are in contact with each other. When shot out of a higher poundage bow (70 pounds) the blades move extremely fast into position. So fast, the friction of the two blades rubbing on each other may at times cause a spark"

Like a hot knife through butter, lol.
 
BTaylor said:
A lot of forum members here arent the avg though, they are here because they want to get better at some or all of the various aspects. Many of them though are very experienced and accomplished killers and are here to share knowledge and help shorten the curves as much as they can be in this format.
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I couldn’t echo this sentiment more. Real people sharing real knowledge and debating ideas with crass—err—class. I mean class.
 
Weldabeast said:
There's no energy dump there at all.....hahahaha
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One way or another energy is always being dumped.

eg. COC head=more energy lost to drag, and more noise.

It'd be interesting to quantify frictional losses in slow/fast and COC/mech systems across various scenarios. Any Triboligists?
 
I can't quantify it but I can see it for myself. Years ago when Steel Force was 1st coming out, the owner came to the shop I worked at. He took a pc a of cowhide and pushed down on various Broadheads and same arrow. This was in days of aluminum arrows. Most of us shot something like a Easton 2117 or a 2216. You could watch the arrow bend until it punched through. The SF 2 blade didn't bend the arrow. . Cut the hide like a hot blade through butter. Their 4 blade almost the same results, the Trokar 3 blade Muzzy and the Thunderhead were almost a tie for 3rd but definitely had to bend a little bit before punching through, the 3 blade Rocky Mountain with a cone tip bent quite a bit and lastly the over the top expandable brought up the rear. That thing bent so much I thought is was going to be permanent. Big Hole though! Don't remember the brand. Rage was even around then. Anyway, I bought the SF on the spot and had excellent results for several years . For various reasons, I got away from them and tried a variety of BH's. Including over the top expandables. The results varied from good to poor. The poor results led me to do some research which led to Ashby. His research led me back to what I already knew. Heavier arrows and True COC BH's penetrate better. I should've never changed. I've had excellent result for 10 years 2 blade Helix's. This year I'm going to give their new 4 blade a try. I expect good results.
 
1simplemann said:
I can't quantify it but I can see it for myself. Years ago when Steel Force was 1st coming out, the owner came to the shop I worked at. He took a pc a of cowhide and pushed down on various Broadheads and same arrow. This was in days of aluminum arrows. Most of us shot something like a Easton 2117 or a 2216. You could watch the arrow bend until it punched through. The SF 2 blade didn't bend the arrow. . Cut the hide like a hot blade through butter. Their 4 blade almost the same results, the Trokar 3 blade Muzzy and the Thunderhead were almost a tie for 3rd but definitely had to bend a little bit before punching through, the 3 blade Rocky Mountain with a cone tip bent quite a bit and lastly the over the top expandable brought up the rear. That thing bent so much I thought is was going to be permanent. Big Hole though! Don't remember the brand. Rage was even around then. Anyway, I bought the SF on the spot and had excellent results for several years . For various reasons, I got away from them and tried a variety of BH's. Including over the top expandables. The results varied from good to poor. The poor results led me to do some research which led to Ashby. His research led me back to what I already knew. Heavier arrows and True COC BH's penetrate better. I should've never changed. I've had excellent result for 10 years 2 blade Helix's. This year I'm going to give their new 4 blade a try. I expect good results.
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Hmm. Someone in the bowsite link I just posted mentioned a Steelforce broadhead bouncing off their quarry.

I've always thought highly enough of Steelforce, though I've never tried them. I definitely had them in the mix.
 
Plebe said:
Hmm. Someone in the bowsite link I just posted mentioned a Steelforce broadhead bouncing off their quarry.

I've always thought highly enough of Steelforce, though I've never tried them. I definitely had them in the mix.
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Is there definitive video evidence of an arrow bouncing off a deer. I would like to see that. Possibly try to understand why it happened if it did.
 
Plebe said:
Hmm. Someone in the bowsite link I just posted mentioned a Steelforce broadhead bouncing off their quarry.

I've always thought highly enough of Steelforce, though I've never tried them. I definitely had them in the mix.
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The idea of an arrow bouncing off a deer seems suspect, much less a sharp broad head. Was the head sharp? The bow tuned? Was there deflection from something? What was the draw weight? (Unless it was below 35# I don't think it would be much of a factor) I'd need details and videos and witnesses to put much stock in that being factual. Frankly I would expect a knock off expander to get a couple inches of penetration, not bounce off

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Plebe said:
Idk.

Here's what set off the discussion on bowsite:

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I remember this video, that arrow flight looked wonky right before impact though. Like it caught one of those stems and took a hard left. Hard to tell on a phone screen though. Definitely makes a person wonder what went wrong

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krub6b said:
The idea of an arrow bouncing off a deer seems suspect, much less a sharp broad head. Was the head sharp? The bow tuned? Was there deflection from something? What was the draw weight? (Unless it was below 35# I don't think it would be much of a factor) I'd need details and videos and witnesses to put much stock in that being factual. Frankly I would expect a knock off expander to get a couple inches of penetration, not bounce off

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I've never experienced it.

But we've butchered deer and found slugs under the hide in what would be the boileroom.

In the podcast with Dudley, Dr. Attia shares a story about a bullet migrating through a human body that's awfully crazy.

Can't rule anything out, personally.
 
krub6b said:
I remember this video, that arrow flight looked wonky right before impact though. Like it caught one of those stems and took a hard left. Hard to tell on a phone screen though. Definitely makes a person wonder what went wrong

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Looks like he was shooting a mech head. Does that mean the mech head was to blame? Some will say surely it must be.

Blame and praise are often misappropriated. It’s neater that way.
 
It does look like an expander, Mega meat maybe? Not sure. I wouldn't put much blame on the head, seems like deflection is the leading suspect, and would be my suspicion on other cases of bouncing arrows. The slugs found under the hide don't surprise me at all, the orange army is notoriously bad about spending time prepping gear

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krub6b said:
It does look like an expander, Mega meat maybe? Not sure. I wouldn't put much blame on the head, seems like deflection is the leading suspect, and would be my suspicion on other cases of bouncing arrows. The slugs found under the hide don't surprise me at all, the orange army is notoriously bad about spending time prepping gear

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I couldn’t say.
 
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