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Primal cam over V steps

smcchevy said:
That's what I use to climb, the buckles didn't last 5 min, I swapped sterling accessory cord as ropes and tie like the wildedge steps.

I know they are probably Chinese or something but I am on a tight budget.
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I'm looking into doing this also. What did you use for a splicing tool? Or dose sterling send one?
 
@smcchevy I know wild edge sends a fid with their rope. Although there's is more of a braided rope so with sterling, predator or any other solid rope I would think a figure 8 would be your best bet. I can tie them but I have to have a lot of slack to make it look clean lol.
 
CRogers said:
@smcchevy I know wild edge sends a fid with their rope. Although there's is more of a braided rope so with sterling, predator or any other solid rope I would think a figure 8 would be your best bet. I can tie them but I have to have a lot of slack to make it look clean lol.
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Yea it takes some time to dress the knot, and the key with the steps as others have mentioned is getting all that slack out of the rope and knot. However you do it either cam them over a bunch or leave them on a tree a few times.
 
I've wondered if the webbing needs stretched like they say the wild edge ropes do? I ordered some this afternoon and I'm thinking of just removing the cam buckle and tying the wild edge knot with the webbing. I thought it might be less bulky than ropes and figured it was worth a shot before I ordered the wild edge rope.
 
I will say, The webbing does fight me a bit. Sometimes I can get it just right, others it definitely takes me a minute.
 
I just got 8 steps yesterday and tried a few in the park with the buckles removed. It seems they need to be very tight to prevent slipping. About 1 inch space between tree and top of back legs and cam over with hand on center of step. I didn't want to bend them but found I had to try to bend them to get them tight enough. If they won't stay down slide up the step an inch on tree and try again. One time I stepped on it and it slid down similar to setting a climbing stick. I think this might be OK. It did not fall.
 
I ordered four of them last night. Going to experiment with removing buckles and tying the wild edge knot. If I don't like the webbing I plan to order wild edge ropes. It's too close to season for me to head out into the woods with them on opening day but I do plan to practice with them and experiment with a 4-5 step aider. Once I get comfortable and get a system down I plan to use them later in the year.
 
So I did some more experimenting with using the webbing! In the first picture you can see how I have the strap girth hitched around the standoff and middle bar. That’s just how they came I only swapped sides.
I started thinking what if I undo the girth hitch and just had the strap where the bar goes through the eye of the webbing....see second and third pictures. This may not look like a huge difference, but man the steps cam over wayyyyyy easier. Just run the strap as you would the rope and tie WE knot. Seriously night and day difference. I tried on a 8” tree, and about a 2’ tree.
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cmbetke said:
So I did some more experimenting with using the webbing! In the first picture you can see how I have the strap girth hitched around the standoff and middle bar. That’s just how they came I only swapped sides.
I started thinking what if I undo the girth hitch and just had the strap where the bar goes through the eye of the webbing....see second and third pictures. This may not look like a huge difference, but man the steps cam over wayyyyyy easier. Just run the strap as you would the rope and tie WE knot. Seriously night and day difference. I tried on a 8” tree, and about a 2’ tree.
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Nice. Innovation. I will try this.
Edit: The hook end of the strap that you cut off might make a convenient etrier attachment strap.
 
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bj139 said:
Nice. Innovation. I will try this.
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Give it a go. I was having some problems getting the steps to cam over properly when the strap was girth hitched around the bar and standoff. I reckon the angle or point of contact with the strap changed just slightly enough to make a difference! I had four steps on in a matter of a minute or so while just messing around with this.
 
cmbetke said:
So I did some more experimenting with using the webbing! In the first picture you can see how I have the strap girth hitched around the standoff and middle bar. That’s just how they came I only swapped sides.
I started thinking what if I undo the girth hitch and just had the strap where the bar goes through the eye of the webbing....see second and third pictures. This may not look like a huge difference, but man the steps cam over wayyyyyy easier. Just run the strap as you would the rope and tie WE knot. Seriously night and day difference. I tried on a 8” tree, and about a 2’ tree.
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That is exactly how I am running the strap. It is night and day.
 
cmbetke said:
Great minds think alike! I'm pumped to practice some more now....I tried the strap once this way yesterday and I was like well ****. That's way damn easier!! Why buy and replace with ropes when the straps work?!
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Interestingly, I actually untied the girth when I was still using the buckles. I was always fighting the girth to align properly on the step.
 
fbwguy said:
Interestingly, I actually untied the girth when I was still using the buckles. I was always fighting the girth to align properly on the step.
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That was exactly the problem. The girth hitch positioned the strap to far outside or too high on the step or something not allowing the strap to pull the step into the tree properly.
 
Any time I see a manufacturers intent being reduced in strength I think... I wonder if that is strong enough?
It should be. I think. I don't really know. How heavy is our biggest tester? Maybe a bit of jumping up and down is in order. Near the ground.
 
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