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When/how to scout freshest sign?

Teamclark

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For you weekend warrior Dads like myself that only hunt public land and get one sit a weekend at best...when and how to you scout to try and setup on fresh sign? That’s the major perk of a saddle (mobility) so how do you take advantage of that? Do you hunt afternoons and go in early/blind and pick a spot? Do you scout on your way out after a morning sit and hope that the sign is still that fresh next weekend? Do you sacrifice weekends during season to scout instead of hunting?

I am getting skunked at spots that have traditionally been good and I want to hunt fresher sign but I don’t have the time availability to go scout on a weekday and hunt it on the weekend or scout Saturday and hunt Sunday. Any suggestions?
 
Arrive in the area at grey light. Walk until you find hot sign, set up and hunt. If it’s at 10am, 2pm or an hour before dark. Or, if you don’t find good sign walk till dark and go home.

priority is finding sign. Not sitting in a tree.

think about it - you KNOW that the sign you’re hunting isn’t fresh, and it’s not a good idea - you’re typing it above. Why do that? Just to say you climbed a tree?

walk until you find the good stuff. If you don’t, go home.

this is the fastest most efficient path to getting into deer.
 
Following. Been trying to scout and sit since starting saddle hunting this year, but so far all I’ve done is have 3 deer blow at me on my way through areas that don’t make since for bedding.
 
Following. Been trying to scout and sit since starting saddle hunting this year, but so far all I’ve done is have 3 deer blow at me on my way through areas that don’t make since for bedding.
Don't know where you are,but deer here in NY bed almost anywhere at some point. Just look for the most likely spots and follow the sign. I will go in around noon today and have a destination in mind,but if i find something along the way or my.dedtination doesnt look good i will set up accordingly.
 
Following. This is exactly my situation too. I’m still fighting the urge to get in a tree ASAP even if it doesn’t always make sense. As if just sitting in a tree is magically gonna make the deer come to you. Hate having so little time to hunt. Everything always feels like a rush (not the exciting kind of rush). Oh well. Well get there I guess.


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Following. This is exactly my situation too. I’m still fighting the urge to get in a tree ASAP even if it doesn’t always make sense. As if just sitting in a tree is magically gonna make the deer come to you. Hate having so little time to hunt. Everything always feels like a rush (not the exciting kind of rush). Oh well. Well get there I guess.


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Read this book.

 
I want to read this book, but I am concerned it is only applicable to southern habitat. I hunt in Canada, and our forests and agriculture are somewhat different. Do you think this is still applicable?

Yup - It's definitely still worth the read.
 
There are less deer in Ontario than many States. I have two tags. Some only have one

As far as sign. Less deer mean less sign and it is harder to find in Ontario. I look for fresh sign where I have consistently found it on the past.

Hunted five times this year twice over good signs and bust twice. I still need to set up better and don’t wear a so called quiet rain coats on a still wet day. I have a lot to learn about hunting yet.

I have only hunted for 6 years. I do find sign more often now. Consistently in the same areas each year. Why do I find it now.
Scouting in and out of season.

I sure wish I had started hunting when I was 20 years old





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@kyler1945 is spot on. The only thing I'd like to add which might be difficult to some due to terrain or topography is do a little virtual scouting to potentially shorten the time to find fresh sign. There are plenty of free resources out there and you don't need an app.

For example, I live in an agricultural area and much of our deer activity is based upon crop rotations. It doesn't take long to figure out which is corn or beans on an aerial. Just remember to look at a map date to determine what is planted there for this year. I can then scout these edges looking for scat, rubs, scrapes, beds, etc. Make the maps work for you and your area.

One of the other items I take into account while scouting is wind direction so hopefully I'm not spooking the deer I'm trying to hunt.
 
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There are less deer in Ontario than many States. I have two tags. Some only have one

As far as sign. Less deer mean less sign and it is harder to find in Ontario. I look for fresh sign where I have consistently found it on the past.

Hunted five times this year twice over good signs and bust twice. I still need to set up better and don’t wear a so called quiet rain coats on a still wet day. I have a lot to learn about hunting yet.

I have only hunted for 6 years. I do find sign more often now. Consistently in the same areas each year. Why do I find it now.
Scouting in and out of season.

I sure wish I had started hunting when I was 20 years old





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When I see him mentioning "good" deer population densities as double those found in the highest-populated areas of my state, and 10x that of the permit area I've hunted most...I know there's gonna be a lot of useful stuff as well as a lotta stuff that just might not scale.
 
I view hunting whitetails similar to bass fishing. All of the beginners go stand on the dock and drop their lines in the water. They think that just because they’re in the water they have as much chance to catch a fish as anyone. This is just the same as the guy sitting on the field edge 200 yards from the parking lot no matter the time of year or wind or sign. He thinks he’s in the game. But let’s talk about who’s out there actually catching the fish. They’re on big bass boats with thousands of dollars of equipment specifically designed to get them in places where the fish are. They’ll even spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on a rod that can get them the extra 5 feet in a cast. That’s how important LOCATION is in hunting. If you don’t hunt hot sign and I mean right on top of hot sign, you’ve got a better chance to run a deer over driving home.
 
@Teamclark im in the same boat as you. I’ve committed to basically wasting hunts this year. The first three were a bust. The last two I’ve been on deer and two different nice bucks. It’s worth it because when I’m scouting, I am hunting, just not in a tree.

I either go in at gray light in the morning, get to my “area” and sit on the ground till gray light then scout, or sit an observation sit for the mornings. I prefer observation that I think gives me a chance for a shot. In the afternoons, I’ve been scouting my way in until I find fresh sign. If I don’t find great sign, I’ll stop and set up on okay sign, observation points, or good terrain features with about 1.5 hr left in the day. That way I get a sit in, which I enjoy. It’s a short sit, but it works for me.
 
I will look at the wind predictions for the day, then look at the satellite pics, and look for an area that I want to go check out....sometimes I make it to original destination but usually find something that will send me of on another course....our terrain is much difference than u and I'm not that experienced so I probably not the best info but I noticed I have much more success when I started to worry less about getting up a tree...I am on a nature hike #1 and if and when I find what I looking for then I get in hunt mode....take it for what it's worth, I've had way more deer encounter on the ground them I've had in a tree...but again, I not that experienced
 
When I see him mentioning "good" deer population densities as double those found in the highest-populated areas of my state, and 10x that of the permit area I've hunted most...I know there's gonna be a lot of useful stuff as well as a lotta stuff that just might not scale.


The most valuable pieces of the book, in my opinion of course, are not related to southern US terrain, southern US deer densities and it's affect on their behavior.

It's mostly accepting we have a disneyfied perception of deer behavior. It is human nature to anthropomorphize everything we encounter in the world. If you can take a step back, and think of deer, as deer, it makes things easier. They just eat and sleep and try not to die. Once a year they want to have sex. Their software program is much, much less sophisticated than ours. This book just takes tens of thousands of hunts, does some multi-variate analysis of it, and points out the factors that contribute the most to success, or lack thereof. It dispels notions that we've generated anecdotally. This isn't a book of tactics, per se, unless you're a southern US hunter. I think of it as a foundation or first principles for hunting deer.

Read a book or college grad student or local biologist's study on what deer eat in your area.

Read the same on when the deer in your area typically rut.

Then read this book on what you can do to maximize your odds of success.

Like diets, exercise, investing money, pretty much everything else in life - no one can write a book that will tell YOU how to do it in YOUR specific situation. The best advice or books or lessons in these areas give you good data that you can apply to your situation. This book will not turn you into a stone cold deer killer. But it should help you analyze your hunting habits and tactics, and the deer's behavior a little better.

For example, It is a FACT that each time you sit in the same tree, your odds of seeing deer go down. Does it mean that your odds decrease the same amount in Canada, or Kansas, or Ohio, or wherever, as they do in south Alabama? No. But they decrease exponentially. That's not a function of location or deer density. That's a function of a deer wanting to live, and knowing you want to kill it. Bob's point of hunting a spot one time is not to say that's what you should do. It's to say your best odds of killing a deer are the first time you're in a spot. If you choose to continue sitting there multiple times, it would probably be good to know that your odds decrease each time. If you're ok with that, keep sitting it!

Interestingly, his most important factor to being successful is access to good habitat(lots of deer). But just because there aren't lots of deer where you hunt, doesn't mean they don't want to live any less than deer in other areas.
 
"I would just remind you that I did not make the rules the whitetail lives by. I have learned to play by his rules to become an immensely successful hunter. You can do the same, or you can ignore them and enjoy the squirrels. It’s your choice." - Dr. Sheppard
 
Once again, I have worked this concept over elsewhere in this text, but it warrants repeating. The spot seldom hunted is the spot that seldom fails you. This is one of those concepts I have the most trouble driving home to hunters. And it seems those most resistant are the hunters who have enjoyed some modest success. They have engrained hunting patterns etched into their experience that have yielded an occasional deer, perhaps even a good one or two. These typically represent a favorite spot that, in fact, most often meets the criteria of a good spot quite nicely. The hunter may not have really understood what made the spot a good one, but tends to see deer there fairly routinely. Hunting the spot frequently during a season, and then from season to season slowly but surely diminishes its yield. But by this point in time, the hunter has enjoyed too many successful hunts here. A friend of mine who has taken more than 500 whitetails with a bow has kept a detailed diary of his hunts for more than forty years! I asked him about this idea of overhunting a spot one day, and he immediately responded, “Let me show you something.” He pulled out a ragged, worn logbook containing hundreds of hand entries of his personal hunting trips. He showed me the statistics revealing that nearly 70 percent of his successful hunts were represented by the first time he hunted a given spot each season.
 
The most valuable pieces of the book, in my opinion of course, are not related to southern US terrain, southern US deer densities and it's affect on their behavior.
If I didn't agree, I wouldn't have purchased the book.
 
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