Concealed Carry

[Mschmeiske]

In Ny to purchase any semi automatic long gun you are now required to have a special semi auto license, if you have a pistol permit that will suffice however it must be added to your permit like a handgun after purchasing it, so it’s registered… if your not a pistol permit holder and you want to buy lets say a Ruger 10/22 right now you are screwed, you must apply for the special semi auto license and last time I checked zero provisions had been made for people wanting such a license, it doesn’t exist yet, so basically stores have stopped all sales until this gets straightened out, the OP is the first person I have heard of that’s been told of the new semi auto license from a pistol licensing agent..

I believe you just go to the sheriffs office and pick up the packet just like I did with the pistol permit papers. My semi auto paper work just happened to be mailed to me since the laws changed in the middle of the process. As long as you have that, I believe they’re still selling semi auto rifles and shotguns. I think most people just haven’t sorted out that permit part yet or don’t even know about it.

 

[Mschmeiske]

Correct, if you have the new special semi auto license and no pistol permit you can buy a semi auto rifle, you however are the first person I have heard of online or in real life lol that has seen such a license yet, I’m going to assume your county must have its act together unlike most, let me ask you this, do you physically have your license yet and I’m going to assume it isn’t stamped restricted, target, hunting, camping only on it? The new ones shouldn’t be, clowns like myself have to file for an amendment to get the new “fully carry” license, basically a new card and picture with my restrictions removed, as of now though like I said nobody has a restricted permit technically, that is why NY said no problem…. everyone has to get full carry permits now so we will just make it illegal to carry guns everywhere….

Yeah I have my actual permit and it says: Carry Concealed/Semi Auto Rifle

 

[cedar paul]

In the 90's IPSC OPEN competitor at the National level, Deep Sea Diver/gunnersmate, became a firearms instructor, taken advanced shooting instruction from law enforcement, taken Aaron Cowan's (Sage Dynamics) defensive red dot course and patched and now I train a church security team. I carry everyday, everywhere I travel because I am too old to get into a physical altercation and deadly force while my last option in this society is my reality. I carry a S&W M&P 2.0 Compact tricked out, a S&W 649 old school .357 , a Sig 230 .380 and lastly a full size 1911. My advice is also seek quality training,dry fire daily and when sighting any pistol whether iron sights or a RMR concentrate on the front sight . If you see your front sight or red dot in recoil you will hit your intended target. Also a very tight grip will take care of 90% of left and right misses. Perfect practice results in desired proficiency but practicing improperly only ingrains bad habits.

 

[Exhumis]

I have an old friend that I'm hoping to get back in touch with that……
If I do decide to concealed carry though I wouldn't talk about it, isn't that the whole point of concealed?
@Exhumis and a few others replying here.

Correct. If people know you’re carrying you’re doing it wrong. IMHO if you can’t CC properly don’t carry. You’d be surprised how many people like to run their mouths tho. I guess it makes them feel self important or gives them validation when folks appear to act impressed.

 

[Exhumis]

I know we have some LEO present in the room, I’d really like their take on this as it’s VERY important especially for the new folks:
When you get pulled over, do you inform the officer you are CC? I’m not looking to start a fight here, and I know everyone has an opinion. I’ve been told yes and I’ve been told no, both opinions coming from LEOs and I understand their logic.
This is an area that hasn’t been discussed yet and I feel remiss for not bringing it up in my earlier post.
Edit: to the OP(@Mschmeiske) most CC classes will have a police officer or attorney speak to the class and cover this topic. I’m more so wanting the viewpoint of different LEOs from hopefully different states.

 

[shamus275]

By law in Michigan you have to inform the Officer that you are a concealed carry holder and whether or not you are carrying.

 

[Exhumis]

See that’s good info. Here in VA you don’t have duty to inform; however, if they ask for your ccw permit you do have to present that with a photo ID.

 

[Loucamp]

Hey, @Topdog, to add Semi-Auto rifle to PP in NY (at least in my county), you just have to fill out an ammendment form and, of course, throw more $$ at the county. If you don't have a PP, to apply for Semi-Auto rifle "permit", yes, even to own a 10/22 so your kid can learn to shoot and learn respect for guns, is the same as applying for a PP.

The 16 hour course, as I understand the law, is only required downstate. Odd, yes of course, but it's NY.

If you check the numbers as of Q3 2022, 1% of NY residents are registered PP holders. Less than 20% have a gun (long gun) at all. We are in the extreme minority.

 

[Redhorse3e351]

Congrats on obtaining your license first and foremost. Hope and pray that you never have to utilize it. Training is very important. As far as advice on carrying, I can tell you from a number of perspectives as a permit holder as well as someone who makes Kydex holsters as a hobby. I make more OWB's for people than anything else and personally use to only carry IWB until I came to the realization that no matter how I carry I am still trying to conceal the exact same object. The difference being how you dress. Personally I find not buying larger pants or adjusting my belt to try to conform to a firearm that carrying OWB is so much more comfortable. My holster sales pretty much confirm this as well. BUT, there are still times that clothing dictates differently. My preferred method though is OWB. What I will say though is always know where you carry I.E. on your body! Always carry the same either 1 in the pipe or none, this all depends on you. I personally am not an amazing person with a pistol. My firearm is always hot though I do not 1 have the seconds to spare but 2 I never want to think did I charge it already? I know exactly the status of mine at all times. Lastly the biggest thing to remember is that you are way more aware of the fact that you are carrying than anyone else. Put it on conceal it and do not fidget with it or your shirt. The sooner you can totally forget that you are carrying the sooner you will realize that most people truly have no idea. But the more self conscience you are about it the more attention you will draw to it. Once again, Congratulations! Always remember it is an absolute last resort!

 

[BuffaloBill]

I’ll add something that no one else had mentioned. I would supplement your CCW with some type of hand to hand training. I mean something useful like Judo or BJJ. You don’t want to be carrying and let someone get the best of you.

 

[Blacksmith]

I’ll add something that no one else had mentioned. I would supplement your CCW with some type of hand to hand training. I mean something useful like Judo or BJJ. You don’t want to be carrying and let someone get the best of you.

Good Thought. Any Force on Force Training is Good. I Also Carry Mace. "Pom Pepper Spray" is My Choice. Very Small and Discreet. Its a Great Tool Between a Harsh Word and a Gun.

 

[sweats]

I’ll add something that no one else had mentioned. I would supplement your CCW with some type of hand to hand training. I mean something useful like Judo or BJJ. You don’t want to be carrying and let someone get the best of you.

I would second training a combat sport. Tactical usefulness and fitness benefits aside, done right it will also introduce a healthy sense of humility and your own limitations. In my experience, that's an extremely important and often overlooked aspect of defending yourself.

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[Heydeerman]

I have read through most but not all posts but I’ll add a good belt is as important as a good holster. I recently ordered a Kore Essentials belt. I don’t have it yet but the reviews and videos has me hoping that this is the ticket. I’ve got a box of belts to go with my box of holders.

 

[cedar paul]

In Michigan if pulled over by L.E. I present both CPL card along with drivers license. When I am in Florida you are not required to inform L.E. that you are carrying but I probably would as a courtesy let them know.

 

[Mschmeiske]

A good friend of mine has been trying to get me to come train BJJ with him for the last two years now I think? I just have so many hobbies…or maybe it’s just excuses. It might be time to make a sacrifice for something more important. As for informing an officer if pulled over, I don’t believe we have to notify them. I’ll double check. Personally, I have mixed feelings about the matter…. If during an encounter they asked me, I’d certainly tell them. If they do not ask, I’m unsure…. I’ll have to put some thought into this. Some of you won’t like my response, I bet far fewer will agree with me, but idk you, (the officer) anymore than you know me. A job title doesn’t reign Supreme for me no matter what it is…. I’ve seen both good and bad cops through personal experience, and I’ve also watched how some have treated me vs. my non white friends, particularly my buddy Jamie on several occasions. Those are stories for another day though….

 

[GreginPA]

I recently ordered a Kore Essentials belt. I don’t have it yet but the reviews and videos has me hoping that this is the ticket.

I own this belt and wear it almost daily. It is a good belt. The only thing I don't really like about it is the velcro loop keeper. It is very easy to lose. I talked to them at the Harrisburg GAOS show last year and showed them a way they could have the excess belt feed behind the buckle. I was hoping they would come out with something like that.

 

[Weldabeast]

U must first master the traditional form of ching ching pow.... then, if u are worthy, u may transcend to the ancient gun-go-bang form of martial arts.

 

[PEEJAY]

I have an old friend that I'm hoping to get back in touch with that through life's twists and turns has become a concealed carry coach/trainer and look forward to learning more in the future. He does tell people to carry as much as possible when they "know" they won't need to, so that it feels normal when they think they do need to. Makes a lot of sense. I do not currently carry but want to learn more about using those types of tools and become proficient now that I no longer live with a hardliner. If I do decide to concealed carry though I wouldn't talk about it, isn't that the whole point of concealed?

That's an ignorant newbie's perspective though, in reality it seems like we could both benefit from the advice of people like @Exhumis and a few others replying here.

I dont think anuthing you said was from an ignorant perspective. i would never tell anybody besides my wife im carrying and only when she asks. Definitely the point of concealed. You dont want your buddy getting into it with a stranger on the street and then going "well hes got a gun and so cant mess with me" etc.

 

[PEEJAY]

MD just came out with a bill that basically wont let me carry within 100ft of any building. I knew it was coming. They said the people have to "feel safe" "If people don’t feel safe, nothing else matters" .

'feeling' safe doesnt really matter though does it? its just an illusion. I AM safe when im armed. My wife and baby ARE SAFE when she's armed (trust me, shes the little lady at the range that makes everybodys jaw drop threading the same hole at 15 yds with a micro 9). Statistically, nobody that has a concealed carry license is a threat to anyone around them. I dont understand it. why should my 115 lb wife "feel" safe now that she cant carry and no one around her can either? The only people that are going to be carrying are the crack heads and gang members who carry illegally anyways.

Im leaving this state as soon as i have the chance again. I should have never came back. I dont understand what data they are following. The stricter laws do not help. We took one step forward and 200 steps back.

 

[Mschmeiske]

MD just came out with a bill that basically wont let me carry within 100ft of any building. I knew it was coming. They said the people have to "feel safe" "If people don’t feel safe, nothing else matters" .

'feeling' safe doesnt really matter though does it? its just an illusion. I AM safe when im armed. My wife and baby ARE SAFE when she's armed (trust me, shes the little lady at the range that makes everybodys jaw drop threading the same hole at 15 yds with a micro 9). Statistically, nobody that has a concealed carry license is a threat to anyone around them. I dont understand it. why should my 115 lb wife "feel" safe now that she cant carry and no one around her can either? The only people that are going to be carrying are the crack heads and gang members who carry illegally anyways.

Im leaving this state as soon as i have the chance again. I should have never came back. I dont understand what data they are following. The stricter laws do not help. We took one step forward and 200 steps back.

Some people don’t believe or it or want to hear it… but Big Brother wants to take them and have complete control. I firmly believe that.. and I’m worried by the time I’m my fathers age America will be like Canada or worse.