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Best friction hitch for climbing and set?

Loopwing said:
Everyone in that picture is in danger. If the bottom kicks that pole is going forward. That pole is not going to fall straight down with 6 guys pushing from different angles. I think that pic was taken long before OSHA came into the work place.

AND as much as I dislike OSHA, there is not a rule on their books that was not a result of serious injury or death.
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People still pike today. The poles look different but the method is still basically the same. You can’t always get a boom truck to every spot you need a pole
 
Fl Canopy Stalker said:
I’m not disagreeing with you however I offer a different perspective… Which part of line work in general would you consider safe? Or climbing trees and shooting weapons? We mitigate risks to the best of our abilities. Sometimes hydraulic lines bust. Sometimes trucks flip or poles fall on people. Sometimes mechanical climbing devices fail (usually operator error but still happens) when a device fails having the “skill set” that your mechanical replaced, can save your life. That’s what I think Jammingtree is referring to. Gadgets are great but so is knowing the basics of what people did before gadgets were a thing is also more important than people realize
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I agree, but my statement was more of, when does a gadget stop being a gadget?

I have more faith in a mechanical device that people belaying on take large dynamic falls on every day over a friction hitch, that no one belays on.

There are plenty of skills everyone should know, but laziness is killing us.
I helped a guy change a tire the other day. He didn't even realize his car had a spare tire, let alone how to remove a lug nut. Pure laziness.
 
Loopwing said:
I agree, but my statement was more of, when does a gadget stop being a gadget?

I have more faith in a mechanical device that people belaying on take large dynamic falls on every day over a friction hitch, that no one belays on.

There are plenty of skills everyone should know, but laziness is killing us.
I helped a guy change a tire the other day. He didn't even realize his car had a spare tire, let alone how to remove a lug nut. Pure laziness.
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You’re absolutely correct and that tire thing would be embarrassing :sweatsmile:

Belaying is not something we do when saddle hunting and as much as I love my gri gri plus, I believe a properly tied hitch cord will always be the stronger option. If I didn’t think so, I’d never have added an adjustable bridge to my saddle.
 
Loopwing said:
What do you rappel on then?
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Depends on the tree I accessed. Ddrt I rappel on a Blake’s hitch. If I SRT climb, I come down on a gri gri puls with a Cornell hitch above the device for just in case. I have and sometimes do just use a figure 8 but the mechanical gadget (the gri gri plus) is definitely my favorite
 
Loopwing said:
How are gadgets not knowledge? At some point cars were gadgets. Your feet will get you from point A to B. Just because someone uses a device doesn't mean they can't tie a knot, a hitch, or have a way to self rescue. Unless you are throwing a sharpened stick, EVERYTHING you are using is a gadget. It is ok to evolve.
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Gadgets are absolutely created by knowledge, I agree with you. I’m not a Luddite suggesting we abandon technology or tools. I’m an advocate of understanding fundamental skills. As in Brocky’s example, knowing how to foot lock (a form of rope climbing that is thousands of years old) is a skill that can come in handy for any and every climber in myriad applications. Mechanical climbing devices are great, if you like em use em - but knowing a few basic techniques, knots and hitches is an easy way to get yourself out of a tree in the event the device breaks or is dropped.
 
Loopwing said:
And then knowledge came along to use a boom truck and people stopped dieing. Which part of that looks safe?????
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Skills like piking are dangerous when people don’t know how to do them. Skills like this have been successfully used for thousands of years. They are dangerous when the person leading the charge never actually did it before but watched a video on YouTube and now thinks of themselves as an expert.
 
Jammintree said:
Skills like piking are dangerous when people don’t know how to do them. Skills like this have been successfully used for thousands of years. They are dangerous when the person leading the charge never actually did it before but watched a video on YouTube and now thinks of themselves as an expert.
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You know that guy too? :tearsofjoy:
 
Just to butt in: there's always the 2 handed way of 'rappelling' down a rope....you just need some ANW training. Oh and the plus is that you can climb up that way too....I mean at stage 4 of ANW finals they have 30 secs to go 50'....im sure we could all do 25' in like 5 mins eh?
 
Jammintree said:
Skills like piking are dangerous when people don’t know how to do them. Skills like this have been successfully used for thousands of years. They are dangerous when the person leading the charge never actually did it before but watched a video on YouTube and now thinks of themselves as an expert.
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Doing anything right 1.0,000 times makes you an expert! I know I feel that way ;)
 
Samcirrus said:
Just to butt in: there's always the 2 handed way of 'rappelling' down a rope....you just need some ANW training. Oh and the plus is that you can climb up that way too....I mean at stage 4 of ANW finals they have 30 secs to go 50'....im sure we could all do 25' in like 5 mins eh?
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You can have all that American ninja warrior strength stuff :sweatsmile:
I’ll stick to my friction hitches, foot loops and fancy mechanical doo-dads lmao
 
Oops John, you forgot to check Fort Knot for your loop hitch!
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I posted a few others in the Friction Hitch thread.
 
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