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Rompola Buck Update

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DroptineKrazy said:
I just googled Boone & Crockett system for non typical whitetailed deer and it brought up their official website unless I misunderstood. I have to admit it is not the simplest scoring system like some of the others. I could be wrong. It has happened once in the past before :rolleyes:
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Yea you get the outside measurement but it is only for reference. It doesn't apply to the score on any way. At least that's my understanding.
 
Plebe said:
We can start with...it was 1958.

www.realtree.com

Would've Been a Record: Giant Kentucky Typical Lost in Attic for 55 Years

Henry Poynter’s whitetail would’ve been a state record in 1958, and the mount was almost thrown away while cleaning an attic
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Not buying that argument. You kill your 1st buck, you take a pic. That's how it's done or least that's how it's done by all the hunter's I know. Especially a big one that supposedly the largest deer ever taken in the state. Our hunting camp was formed in the 30's. They always took pics of the buck pole. it was a tradition. I have pics of my Grandmother's shore house when it was built in 1944. In 1961, it was hit by a hurricane. I have the pics of it being washed 2 blacks down the street.
 
I just read the DDH story on this buck and just the fact that the main beam was broken should have disqualified it imo. Seems to me Milo Hanson's buck also took a bullet to the antler but just took a chunk out instead of breaking it. I also remember reading at the time that they told Milo to be very careful with the rack because if it broke in that spot it would be disqualified as a record book buck. I believe Hanson even put electrical tape on the rack to ensure that wouldn't happen. Like I said before the G2's & G3's look to be coming off the same base not the top of the main beam independently just as the one panel scorer said. Also, how many of the scorers for WBBC were influenced by wanting the buck to regain the world record for Wisconsin?
 
1simplemann said:
Good point. I didn't catch that little detail. I agree. You would think there would be pics of him as a kid w/ those deer.
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How many pictures do you have from the late 50's or early 60's? Remember, that was 60 years ago and there wasn't a camera in everyone's pocket. Shoot, I wish I had pictures of my first few vehicles I owned but if there were any taken, I have no idea where they might be.
 
I believe the King buck never got a fair shake and if the common base rule is as it was stated then they need the figure 8 or peanut factor I believe it would be legit. As with anything too many politics.
 
ricky racer said:
How many pictures do you have from the late 50's or early 60's? Remember, that was 60 years ago and there wasn't a camera in everyone's pocket. Shoot, I wish I had pictures of my first few vehicles I owned but if there were any taken, I have no idea where they might be.
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That's funny. I have a pic of my parents that was taken on their wedding day in the early 40's and my family certainly wasn't rich so some people certainly had cameras back then.
 
1simplemann said:
Not buying that argument. You kill your 1st buck, you take a pic. That's how it's done or least that's how it's done by all the hunter's I know. Especially a big one that supposedly the largest deer ever taken in the state. Our hunting camp was formed in the 30's. They always took pics of the buck pole. it was a tradition. I have pics of my Grandmother's shore house when it was built in 1944. In 1961, it was hit by a hurricane. I have the pics of it being washed 2 blacks down the street.
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We don’t know that a picture of 9year old Mitch and his buck in 1958 was or was not taken, if Mitch ever possessed that picture if it was taken, nor if it does or does not exist to date. The fact that WE don’t have one really means very little.

Who are WE to expect to have such a photo? Try putting into words who WE are, in the context of any of this?

Perhaps there’s more than photos. A newspaper article. An eyewitness account. A diary entry. Lol. Who here is actually investigating? WE are speculators at best, so far as I can tell. And that’s Ok.

Here’s an article about a monster buck from 1958, and ne‘er a photo we have. And the rack sat in an attic and was on the threshhold of a dumpster. That doesn’t move the needle at all?

Are there hero shots from way back in the day, sure. You were part of a hunting culture, a camp. I’m a huge fan of that. But what can you tell us about the hunting culture Mitch had as a pre-teen? That’s much more relevant.
 
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DroptineKrazy said:
That's funny. I have a pic of my parents that was taken on their wedding day in the early 40's and my family certainly wasn't rich so some people certainly had cameras back then.
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I can’t seem to find that photo In my collection.
 
Mitchellfarmer1982 said:
I believe the King buck never got a fair shake and if the common base rule is as it was stated then they need the figure 8 or peanut factor I believe it would be legit. As with anything too many politics.
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Scoring was intended to glorify the animal, not the hunter. Somewhere that got lost. That’s the biggest problem, imo.
 
DroptineKrazy said:
I just read the DDH story on this buck and just the fact that the main beam was broken should have disqualified it imo. Seems to me Milo Hanson's buck also took a bullet to the antler but just took a chunk out instead of breaking it. I also remember reading at the time that they told Milo to be very careful with the rack because if it broke in that spot it would be disqualified as a record book buck. I believe Hanson even put electrical tape on the rack to ensure that wouldn't happen. Like I said before the G2's & G3's look to be coming off the same base not the top of the main beam independently just as the one panel scorer said. Also, how many of the scorers for WBBC were influenced by wanting the buck to regain the world record for Wisconsin?
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50 states. Seems like we could get a panel of a few scorers that at least doesn’t seem biased on paper…when the WR is at stake. Do we need to also factor in…gender, ethnicity, religion, political affiliation, etc?

What’s the dispute process for B&C? Cause here’s the current process for declaring an official WR…no less than two sets of judges score independently...which this buck couldn’t make it to…no matter how the chips fell.

HOW AND WHEN IS A TROPHY DECLARED AN OFFICIAL WORLD'S RECORD?
The final score of a potential Boone and Crockett World's Record must be verified by either an Awards Program Judges Panel or a Special Judges Panel before it is declared a new World's Record. Awards Program Judges Panels are assembled once every three years following the close of one of the Club's triennial Awards Programs. Special Judges Panels are convened during the interim between Awards Program Judges Panels with the sole purpose of verifying and declaring new World's Records. In either case, two teams of two judges each measure a potential World's Record. If the scores of both teams verify the original measurement, the panel will declare it a new World's Record. If a potential World's Record is not sent in for verification by one of these two panels, it will never be declared a Boone and Crockett World's Record.
 
DroptineKrazy said:
????? I hope your not gonna make me look for 2 hours through all my wife's photo albums and stacks of pics just to prove I'm not making it up.
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Not my point. Although I’m sure Mitch wouldn’t want to look for 2 hours through all his wife’s photo albums and stacks of pictures either….when he could just grab the rack for a cameo.
 
I'm not sure that B&C even has a dispute process. Might be because they didn't want some of these bucks to keep coming back in to be scored until the hunter was satisfied with the score instead of having hard and fast rules that try to nip that in the bud.
 
Nutterbuster said:
Typical racks score smaller because asymmetry is penalized. Asymmetry is penalized because nature prefers symmetry. Studies have suggested that does prefer symmetrical racks over asymmetrical ones in captivity.

205" isn't 205" when comparing net score to gross score to nontypical score.

Florida COULD grow a 205" typical. Anything CAN happen. It'd be very surprising given typical genetics and nutrition for that area. Contrasted to Wisconsin, Kansas, or Iowa, which should and do routinely produce the largest bucks in the country. But if a borealis subspecies or some other genetic anomaly ended up living 6-7 years stress-free in the middle of 10 square miles of soybeans...sure.
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It’s interesting to apply the symmetry train of thought to the King buck...even if one was to concede G-2s and G-3s sharing a common base.
 
DroptineKrazy said:
I'm not sure that B&C even has a dispute process. Might be because they didn't want some of these bucks to keep coming back in to be scored until the hunter was satisfied with the score instead of having hard and fast rules that try to nip that in the bud.
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I believe it’s a mostly volunteer program, so there’s certainly understandable limitations.

But it’s kind of important to get the call rightly adjudicated when a scoring organization’s top record is on the line.
 
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