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Why don't yall 2TC?

HunterBob said:
I've never tried it, the biggest hurdle for me being having to buy all of the equipment to try it out. Currently run two sticks and a moveable aider that I also use on my platform.

Just curiously, what do you imagine would be the best, budget friendly way to give 2TC a try?
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How long is your current linesman's rope? What style aider do you have? Hooking it up via friction hitch to your linesman's would probably be the cheapest option to start with

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HunterBob said:
I've never tried it, the biggest hurdle for me being having to buy all of the equipment to try it out. Currently run two sticks and a moveable aider that I also use on my platform.

Just curiously, what do you imagine would be the best, budget friendly way to give 2TC a try?
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Sir do you have a tether and lineman’s belt?

Your tether is your top tether for 2TC so you already have 1/2 of what you need and you haven’t done a thing. Next: Your lineman’s belt is your bottom tether. Make a loop on the bottom tether using a Blake’s hitch for your foot.

You have now assembled the easiest, lightest, quietest, quickest, sleekest, safest, cheapest, and fastest climbing method known to saddlehunting man.
 
Red Beard said:
Actually I think this is the first time I've seen this. Looks amazing. I might be your huckleberry.
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For $70 I'm hoping somebody else more invested in 2TC will try it out. I have a big enough pile of "stuff to experiment with one day" that I haven't touched... but this looks like it could work or be close.
 
Red Beard said:
Actually I think this is the first time I've seen this. Looks amazing. I might be your huckleberry.
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It’s had to of been shared 5 times in this thread it’s just buried in the posts lol. Let us know how it goes!
 
I add a 8 inch piece of 1” tubular nylon webbing as a sheath for my bottom tether Blake’s hitch foot loop. I don’t want all that dirt and mud in and on my rope. It fits perfectly over predator rope and keeps it open a little more too.
 
TNSTAAFL said:
All this wire stiffening talk reminded me of this old climbing stand niche product. No idea if this is of any use with 2TC but figured I'd share.




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@Red Beard thinking a little bit more on this, wouldn’t we want the strap to splay open away from grabbing the tree such that we can have one handed progression of our tether up the tree? This seems to be the opposite I.e. still takes two hands to move up but it will grab and hold itself to the tree.
 
gcr0003 said:
@Red Beard thinking a little bit more on this, wouldn’t we want the strap to splay open away from grabbing the tree such that we can have one handed progression of our tether up the tree? This seems to be the opposite I.e. still takes two hands to move up but it will grab and hold itself to the tree.
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That makes more sense to me.

Edit: It did look like he kept the loop open by pinching the junction together with one hand.
 
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gcr0003 said:
@Red Beard thinking a little bit more on this, wouldn’t we want the strap to splay open away from grabbing the tree such that we can have one handed progression of our tether up the tree? This seems to be the opposite I.e. still takes two hands to move up but it will grab and hold itself to the tree.
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seems like it returns to a "sweet spot" which may be smaller or larger than diameter of tree you're climbing. If the tree is smaller than that "sweet spot" that would seem better(or at least what I envisioned), but if the tree is larger then having the rigidity still seems like a benefit. The issues I see are if the tree is not generally round you may not get enough contact, or if tree is too small then the rigid portion will interfere.
 
kstetar said:
I remember seeing some stuff on your experiments with wire in tethers. I'm super interested in that, since loosening the tether and keeping it rigid enough to advance efficiently it is the main thing that keeps me away. What did you land on, or are you still experimenting?
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Oh the wire in my rappel rope(top tether) and foot tether are permanent now. I actually did that awhile ago and after being sure it worked well and didn't just poke back out after a climb or two ,then it took me another few months to make a video of it....lol.
 
kstetar said:
I remember seeing some stuff on your experiments with wire in tethers. I'm super interested in that, since loosening the tether and keeping it rigid enough to advance efficiently it is the main thing that keeps me away. What did you land on, or are you still experimenting?
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I will say that it has to be a super stiff steel wire that won't just bend on you or you lose half the benefit. Meaning, if the wire inside bends where you are girth hitched it'll be alit harder to open up the tether to advance up the tree.
If I didn't use footloops but just kept it basic and minimalist like gcr0003 and his gang I'd still put a wire in the tree hugging part to speed things up and make it less work to open and move the tether up.
 
Red Beard said:
That makes more sense to me.

Edit: It did look like he kept the loop open by pinching the junction together with one hand.
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You should try the stiff wire in the rope idea then....it'll be faster than trying to find a thin flat plate of spring steel....then sewing it all up....
Also, then you're limited to a small tree size range, but when the wire is in your rope the friction hitch passes up and down easily over the end point of the buried wire.....
Oh I forgot to tag you when you asked for a picture of the ropes bundled/packed up...its in the latest photo group I posted here.
 
I've been toying with the idea of some kind of stiffener sheath for the rope. Maybe some tubular webbing with a wire or something sewn in that I could just slide over my tether, or some rubber hose. I like the idea @Samcirrus has been tinkering with, but I personally don't want to insert something into my rope, and whatever I use I don't want it to add much weight.

One of these days I'll try. It hasn't been bad moving my tether, but it could be better.
 
TNSTAAFL said:
All this wire stiffening talk reminded me of this old climbing stand niche product. No idea if this is of any use with 2TC but figured I'd share.




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if it snaps around that guys waist to wear in the woods its gonna fall right to my ankles. im built like a string bean.
 
Red Beard said:
That makes more sense to me.

Edit: It did look like he kept the loop open by pinching the junction together with one hand.
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I’ll have to go back and watch. Could be a winner. One handed progression of each tether would be a game changer. I think we would start to see some sub 3 min/20 ft climbs.
 
is there a spark notes version of this thread where i can avoid reading 133 pages? Im sure its all great info but my brain explodes after 2 or 3 pages. i feel like i just saw something like that a week or 2 ago but cant find it.
 
krub6b said:
How long is your current linesman's rope? What style aider do you have? Hooking it up via friction hitch to your linesman's would probably be the cheapest option to start with

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I've got a homemade tubular webbing, three step aider. So if I use my lineman's belt as my 2nd tether, essentially I would be just climbing up to to my lineman's with my tether being there for safety and hanging when moving my lineman's up?

I may have to give this a try after all.
 
HunterBob said:
I've got a homemade tubular webbing, three step aider. So if I use my lineman's belt as my 2nd tether, essentially I would be just climbing up to to my lineman's with my tether being there for safety and hanging when moving my lineman's up?

I may have to give this a try after all.
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using a three step aider will turn it into no-sticking if using all three steps. You could probably still use it to test out 2TCing, my preference is a Blake's hitch tied to make a loop in my lower/foot loop tether. If your linesman's long enough for that I would try that, a short piece of tubular webbing or hose helps keep it open an minimizes foot pinch while standing on it.
 
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