Yes. Sometimes it worked great. Sometimes it failed. This was probably two or three years ago. I can remember the exact reason that it failed for me. I might try again
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Amsteel Attachment for Squirrel Steps
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Yes. Sometimes it worked great. Sometimes it failed. This was probably two or three years ago. I can remember the exact reason that it failed for me. I might try again
would a sort of figure 8 through the rappel ring with the rope doubled back then timber hitched work? Just thinking out loud here.
by figure 8 I mean coming through the tree side of the ring, out towards you and towards the step, then over the ring and back through and pull the rope back on itself
Ok, I just tried [mention]raisins [/mention] daisy chain hitch method with:
1: Treehopper step and Amsteel daisy chain
2: EWO squirrel step and Amsteel daisy chain
3: Treehopper step and EWO woven webbing daisy chain
4: EWO squirrel step and EWO woven webbing daisy chain
Non-scientific results:
The webbing daisy chain is too much of a pain to open the little slots and try to pull tension. Not worth the hassle
The Amsteel dc works better on the Treehopper because the increased surface area and lateral wings providing more tree contact.
The Amsteel dc does work with the squirrel steps, but raisins issue of how to terminate the hitch is also my dilemma.
My method with the XL Loop Alien gets it just as tight, is faster, and the termination is simply an extra wrap under the ear of the Loop Alien.
I’m comfortable with it not being rated for weight bearing, but wouldn’t recommend it to anyone else. (I also have some inside info on some strength tests that were run during development of the Loop Alien, but I’m not at liberty to discuss).
1: Treehopper step and Amsteel daisy chain
2: EWO squirrel step and Amsteel daisy chain
3: Treehopper step and EWO woven webbing daisy chain
4: EWO squirrel step and EWO woven webbing daisy chain
Non-scientific results:
The webbing daisy chain is too much of a pain to open the little slots and try to pull tension. Not worth the hassle
The Amsteel dc works better on the Treehopper because the increased surface area and lateral wings providing more tree contact.
The Amsteel dc does work with the squirrel steps, but raisins issue of how to terminate the hitch is also my dilemma.
My method with the XL Loop Alien gets it just as tight, is faster, and the termination is simply an extra wrap under the ear of the Loop Alien.
I’m comfortable with it not being rated for weight bearing, but wouldn’t recommend it to anyone else. (I also have some inside info on some strength tests that were run during development of the Loop Alien, but I’m not at liberty to discuss).
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Ok, I just tried [mention]raisins [/mention] daisy chain hitch method with:
1: Treehopper step and Amsteel daisy chain
2: EWO squirrel step and Amsteel daisy chain
3: Treehopper step and EWO woven webbing daisy chain
4: EWO squirrel step and EWO woven webbing daisy chain
Non-scientific results:
The webbing daisy chain is too much of a pain to open the little slots and try to pull tension. Not worth the hassle
The Amsteel dc works better on the Treehopper because the increased surface area and lateral wings providing more tree contact.
The Amsteel dc does work with the squirrel steps, but raisins issue of how to terminate the hitch is also my dilemma.
My method with the XL Loop Alien gets it just as tight, is faster, and the termination is simply an extra wrap under the ear of the Loop Alien.
I’m comfortable with it not being rated for weight bearing, but wouldn’t recommend it to anyone else. (I also have some inside info on some strength tests that were run during development of the Loop Alien, but I’m not at liberty to discuss).
Thanks for the thorough test.
Did you try terminating by giving it like 3 wraps around the step or so? If so, how did that work with step operation/angle for the squirrel step? I went crazy with like 3 to 6 wraps (didn't count) and it didn't bother the tree hopper. Did you find that the method was sufficiently tight to the tree for climbing?
I did not. The squirrel step doesn’t have as much free real estate at the top to do the wraps vs the TH
I’m not sure, but I will try it. I got called in to work, so probably won’t happen today.
Keep the ideas flowing, guys.
I'm sure you already know, but if you get a chance, check out some of the ways that loop alien attaches or is used. It seems in the instructions one way is to just attach it to a spliced eye with a larks head and then feel the tag end through the body and tighten it. Just wondering if it is as secure.
Yep. I’ve messed with all kinds of hardware for tensioning due to my hammock camping obsession. The way a Loop Alien for is designed is for for locking down a rope, but the way I do it actually allows you to tighten and take out slack. Its really just like the improved truckers hitch video that you posted but probably with less friction due to it being rope on Ti vs rope on rope.
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Have you tried the regular sized aluminum loopalien with 7/64" amsteel with your step hitch?
One big advantage with the loopalien, is that you don't have to make 12 daisy chains! I'd guess that would take me at least 6 hours straight of focusing with a crooked neck, and my neck is wrecked by stuff like that anymore (too much desk time).
Given the how the forces are applied to the loopalien, I'm not worried about its strength in this application.
Yes, I have tried the regular with 7/64”, but I don’t trust it. It’s tiny. I agree about the time to splice. It takes me about 20 minutes to make a daisy chain vs 2 minutes to make an eye splice with a buried tail for the loop alien version.
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@mtsrunner Do you think 1/8" amsteel is too large for the xl LA?
I have used it. You can get two wraps behind the LA, which so think is plenty. I also think the 1/8” is less susceptible to compression (12 strands vs 8), so it might be a better choice than 7/64”
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LoopAlien Ti XL
Description The LoopAlien ® is hardware for rapid cord attachment without knots. Rig up faster and avoid complicated, messy knots altogether. This XL version is 50% larger than the original Titanium LoopAlien found HERE. Use it when you need even more strength and/or prefer increased ease of...
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TksLoopAlien Ti XL
Description The LoopAlien ® is hardware for rapid cord attachment without knots. Rig up faster and avoid complicated, messy knots altogether. This XL version is 50% larger than the original Titanium LoopAlien found HERE. Use it when you need even more strength and/or prefer increased ease of...
Wouldn’t that be configured like cross loading a carabiner? That is frowned upon and that’s for carabiners that are rated 3 or 4 times higher than the cam jam.
You are correct.
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Still nothing? Man I need this to work.