Arrow Rests (Limb Driven)

[USSHornet]

May be a dumb question but I have a Hamskea arrow rest the Trinity limb driven rest. My question is, since limb driven has the arrow launcher in the down position before draw am I supposed to hold the arrow with my index finger to stabilize it?

I know it has a small arrow holder but it always fall off that when I initiate my draw.

And yea the launcher will eventually grab the arrow at full draw and contain it in the cage but damn I cannot get used to all the movement of the arrow during the draw cycle I want that sucker stable. I don’t really want to use my index finger to hold it either.

How do you guys deal with this?

Thanks!!!!.


Steve in Ky

 

[MA_PAdeerslayer]

Can you pre cock it? I use a QAD because of this. I didn’t like my arrow bouncing like it was. The QAD I can precock and the arrow is much more contained than in the Hamskea. All personal opinion at that point tho.

 

[Coachschaller]

I never use my finger to stabilize. It just falls into the valley of the rest at full draw. The downside of the Hamskea is that you can not keep it in the raised position like the QAD.

 

[raisins]

May be a dumb question but I have a Hamskea arrow rest the Trinity limb driven rest. My question is, since limb driven has the arrow launcher in the down position before draw am I supposed to hold the arrow with my index finger to stabilize it?

I know it has a small arrow holder but it always fall off that when I initiate my draw.

And yea the launcher will eventually grab the arrow at full draw and contain it in the cage but damn I cannot get used to all the movement of the arrow during the draw cycle I want that sucker stable. I don’t really want to use my index finger to hold it either.

How do you guys deal with this?

Thanks!!!!.


Steve in Ky

I have the same rest, I just put Stealth Strips anywhere the arrow can possibly hit on the bow when the arrow is nocked and in its containment cage


Then I just don't worry about it.

Definitely keep your finger off the arrow when drawing, plus I can't see how you can maintain a proper grip and also hold your arrow (ignoring the danger of cutting yourself).

I am way underbowed at 60 lbs draw and I shoot a very smooth bow (Bowtech Revolt on comfort mode), so my arrow doesn't move much at all during the draw. I've never noticed it.

I bought 2 or 3 of those arrow holders (2 from hamskea, 1 from limbsaver) to try, but I'd already cut my arrows a tad short (I used to shoot overdraws back in the day, so the current advice of keeping the broadhead way in front of the bow doesn't influence me) and I also shoot a broadhead that goes back over the shaft and has a large cut (qad exodus).....so the broadhead blades hit the holder unless I rotate the broadheads precisely out of the way....which I'm not a fan of doing because I square everything on my arrow to 90 degrees and use a strong glue for my inserts.

So, I'd try covering the riser with stealth strips and maybe throwing in an arrow holder if you can manage. Some movement is harmless, if you are getting major movement then it might be how you are drawing the bow or maybe you are pulling too much weight.

 

[USSHornet]

Thanks. I will not be using the finger hold down agree that is a hot mess. I do like the arrow holder on the AAE Pro Drop for stabilizing the arrow but…ya know


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[Brendan]

I ignore it because I have the full containment Hamskea. I do coat my shelf with moleskin or felt to keep it quiet.

I don't use any of the arrow holders on the rest, If I did I would be very careful to test and make sure there's no fletching contact.

Refuse to use a QAD or a ripcord as I've seen too many failures.

 

[raisins]

I ignore it because I have the full containment Hamskea. I do coat my shelf with moleskin or felt to keep it quiet.

I don't use any of the arrow holders on the rest, If I did I would be very careful to test and make sure there's no fletching contact.

Refuse to use a QAD or a ripcord as I've seen too many failures.

folks act like the QAD doesn't have any wiggle room...it does....around 1/8"....the hamskea might have 1 inch of wiggle room

i didn't like it at first either, but i think it is largely a mental thing based upon years of shooting and thinking 'this isn't right, my arrow shouldn't be able to move around 1 inch side to side'.....in reality it is harmless and i've never heard of an issue in real life from this (so long as you cover your riser with something)

 

[nighthawkF-117]

I had the same problem with my vapor trail. I didn't like that the arrow made noise during the draw. I found this little plastic cradle that holds the arrow centered on the shelf. This makes it silent to pick my bow up and draw because the arrow doesn't shift around. Obviously this doesn't work well enough for walking around with an arrow knocked. But for saddle hunting it works great.

 

[raisins]

I had the same problem with my vapor trail. I didn't like that the arrow made noise during the draw. I found this little plastic cradle that holds the arrow centered on the shelf. This makes it silent to pick my bow up and draw because the arrow doesn't shift around. Obviously this doesn't work well enough for walking around with an arrow knocked. But for saddle hunting it works great. View attachment 64347View attachment 64347

is that cradle archery specific? where did you get it?

 

[NimbleTimbo]

is that cradle archery specific? where did you get it?

I have the Hamskea Hybrid Hunter Pro and it came with a cradle/shag pad just like that. I still line my containment ring and riser with stealth strips in case it falls out while stalking or something.

 

[Brendan]

Be careful of those cradles. If you use one - make sure you test with food powder, lipstick, or whatever to make sure you don't get fletching contact. It's not an issue if your arrow is high enough, but you need to test to make sure.

I've had bows where I tuned the bow with the arrow lower in the Berger hole, so couldn't use one if I wanted...

 

[raisins]

Be careful of those cradles. If you use one - make sure you test with food powder, lipstick, or whatever to make sure you don't get fletching contact. It's not an issue if your arrow is high enough, but you need to test to make sure.

I've had bows where I tuned the bow with the arrow lower in the Berger hole, so couldn't use one if I wanted...

or you're like me and half your broadheads hit the front edge of the cradle and unnock the arrow! i'm glad i caught this and never dry fired

 

[Plebe]

folks act like the QAD doesn't have any wiggle room...it does....around 1/8"....the hamskea might have 1 inch of wiggle room

i didn't like it at first either, but i think it is largely a mental thing based upon years of shooting and thinking 'this isn't right, my arrow shouldn't be able to move around 1 inch side to side'.....in reality it is harmless and i've never heard of an issue in real life from this (so long as you cover your riser with something)

I think Hamskea is the most premium build, but truly, it's a lot more free space for the arrow to roam compared to Rip Cord/QAD. I don't have any lateral movement with my Max Micro, and it's probably less than an inch vertical. Does it really matter, idk. Thats personal preference. But there is a significant difference.

I like that no matter how I carry my bow, my arrow doesn't flop around much. Even upside down.

But, if zero flop is the goal, Whisker Biscuit wins hands down. That only costs you about 1.5 fps, likes good form though.

I can't say how things will pan out with my Max Micro rest. My original Ripcord did seize up on me at around about 12 (maybe more) years of carefree use. The bearings are supposedly a huge improvement now. The warranty is excellent, but I get it, if you're using a warranty the product has failed.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend or use Hamskea, but no doubt it "captures" the arrow less than the others. Lets not sugar coat that. Top scores for precision and execution, sure. But containment, it's a solid B.

 

[USSHornet]

Agree, its a weakness of Hamskea and needs to be addressed. I appreciate you holding firm on that. If we says it ok they wont fix it. It is not ok.


Steve in Ky

 

[nighthawkF-117]

Mine does have a vaportrail logo on it. I was asked about one at my local shop and they had some they sold individually. It's just secured with 3m double sided tape. I was thinking I could have one 3d printed if I ever needed another. It does work great though.

 

[Brendan]

Here's the thing about Hamskea. Would I like it if it didn't move? Yes, definitely, would make it damn near perfect. I agree with everyone on that. But has it ever mattered one bit for me? Not at all, in any situation. I'm not sure I want them to try and fix it, because I think the overall design drives the reliability and I don't want them to screw it up! (Hamskea is bomb-proof how it's made, but I think a lot of the reliability comes from the limb-driven design, had good luck with the only vapor trail I've owned too.)

I told this story in a different thread. Had a major brain fart drawing my bow, hadn't been shooting much, sweaty hands and no grip tape on my handheld release. I proceeded to let the release slip out of my hand at full draw and fired it directly into the back of my Hamskea Trinity - and I'm shooting a 73# bow at 29" draw. The release was toast. Had a mark on the back of the Hamskea and that was it, I'm not sure it even moved and I was back shooting a couple minutes later.

 

[Zero One Actual]

@USSHornet, I have a bow with the QAD ultra rest on it and I have a bow with the trinity on it. I know exactly what you were referencing on your first post as far as lateral movement or almost little mini hops of your arrow shaft as you draw back. It was noticeable for about the first twenty to fifty or so arrows I shot and after that I never really noticed it again and it has never been an issue for me.

Both rests are top notch and in the end it will just be a Chevy vs Ford or Glock vs Sig end user debate over minute details or individual preferences. You can’t go wrong with either abs if your gut doesn’t like it, then sell it and get another QAD and sleep well on it.

 

[Plebe]

@USSHornet, I have a bow with the QAD ultra rest on it and I have a bow with the trinity on it. I know exactly what you were referencing on your first post as far as lateral movement or almost little mini hops of your arrow shaft as you draw back. It was noticeable for about the first twenty to fifty or so arrows I shot and after that I never really noticed it again and it has never been an issue for me.

Both rests are top notch and in the end it will just be a Chevy vs Ford or Glock vs Sig end user debate over minute details or individual preferences. You can’t go wrong with either abs if your gut doesn’t like it, then sell it and get another QAD and sleep well on it.

But I think it's a bit more than Chevy vs Ford.

I could be wrong here, but I believe QAD only manufactures cable driven rests.

In full containment, pre-cockable limb driven rests I think there's only the Ripcord LOK. The other limb driven rests function largely like the Hamskea, only not as nice.

But on the whole, I think they are all pretty nice rests and way better than what was on the market when I started bow hunting. So, yeah, pick the features you like and go get some deer.

No hate for Hamskea from me, love em. The Epsillon will be sold out constantly this year. But I gravitate to tighter containment, personally.

 

[raisins]

But I think it's a bit more than Chevy vs Ford.

I could be wrong here, but I believe QAD only manufactures cable driven rests.

In full containment, pre-cockable limb driven rests I think there's only the Ripcord LOK. The other limb driven rests function largely like the Hamskea, only not as nice.

But on the whole, I think they are all pretty nice rests and way better than what was on the market when I started bow hunting. So, yeah, pick the features you like and go get some deer.

No hate for Hamskea from me, love em. The Epsillon will be sold out constantly this year. But I gravitate to tighter containment, personally.

hamskea or vapor trail would really have to pull off an engineering marvel for me to want one that is pre-cockable....because if you think about how limb driven rests work....adding that feature has to add complexity...it would have to work amazingly well for me to want to modify the inherent simplicity and durability of the design....i'd rather just have the arrow move around 1 inch

 

[Plebe]

hamskea or vapor trail would really have to pull off an engineering marvel for me to want one that is pre-cockable....because if you think about how limb driven rests work....adding that feature has to add complexity...it would have to work amazingly well for me to want to modify the inherent simplicity and durability of the design....i'd rather just have the arrow move around 1 inch

Yeah, I'm just pointing out it's not apples to apples QAD to Hamskea. I've read about folks having problems with the LOK, but don't know anymore about it. I shoot a different rest.

For mechanical reliability, again brush style rests like Whisker Biscuit probably have the advantage in simplicity and functional reliability as well as overall durability, having no moving parts. There's always the icing issue to toss around though.

Hamskea limb driven rests are already an engineering marvel compared to a shelf, a non mechanical blade rest, and Whisker Biscuit styles. I don't know what it would take to engineer something pre-cockable from their bearing and hard cam stop design, but if complexity was a showstopper...we can go all the way back to a shelf.

It's just pick and choose, like most things. If it were perfect for everyone, these discussions don't happen. Not saying it's not already perfect for some or most.

There's also legitimacy to the frequently used arguments too, that maybe a product needs a change, or that perhaps the hunter needs to adapt, sometimes both are true.

If I hadn't had really good results over many years using an outdated cable driven rest with features that I like, I'd not be using an improved cable driven rest with expectation of good results, no matter what features it had. I don't know how complicated those rests are, but they give me some functional advantages over other styles with generally good reliability. I maybe give up some simplicity and take on slightly more risk of a possible failure. My rest, my choices. lol.

I'd like to challenge Hamskea and see what they come up with.