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Arsenal Platform

Center Punch said:
What's best for slippery roads? Does it matter what makes the road slippery? I would think so. Gravel. Mud. Snow. Ice.
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Narrower tires are better, because you have the same force concentrated on a smaller surface area.

I’d imagine mud and gravel are a bit different but that comes down to displacement of material(you don’t want to sink in the mud, and for gravel lower tire pressure is more important than width of tire).

None of these are a great analogy because you’re digging into the tree not sliding across the surface, but fewer points of contact with a geometry that ensures consistency of contact on dissimilar imperfect surfaces is going to be better, and for the wide range of tree diameters we climb a geometry that keeps the distance from the post to tree as consistent as possible is also better. The rounded geometry does better at both imo.
 
Dope on a Rope said:
Narrower tires are better, because you have the same force concentrated on a smaller surface area.

I’d imagine mud and gravel are a bit different but that comes down to displacement of material(you don’t want to sink in the mud, and for gravel lower tire pressure is more important than width of tire).

None of these are a great analogy because you’re digging into the tree not sliding across the surface, but fewer points of contact with a geometry that ensures consistency of contact on dissimilar imperfect surfaces is going to be better, and for the wide range of tree diameters we climb a geometry that keeps the distance from the post to tree as consistent as possible is also better. The rounded geometry does better at both imo.
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Dope on a Rope said:
Narrower tires are better, because you have the same force concentrated on a smaller surface area.

I’d imagine mud and gravel are a bit different but that comes down to displacement of material(you don’t want to sink in the mud, and for gravel lower tire pressure is more important than width of tire).

None of these are a great analogy because you’re digging into the tree not sliding across the surface, but fewer points of contact with a geometry that ensures consistency of contact on dissimilar imperfect surfaces is going to be better, and for the wide range of tree diameters we climb a geometry that keeps the distance from the post to tree as consistent as possible is also better. The rounded geometry does better at both imo.
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This makes no difference to me as I haven't had a need to put much side pressure on my platform.

No matter how the teeth are configured, it seems like the use of an additional tie down on the platform would pay higher dividends.
Something tied from below.

Thinking out loud:

How about two posts, 4-6" apart, that drop down just like the post on the top swings upward. Tie them to the tree.

OR

No lower posts. Just tie the platform the way I've seen some ladder stands use a tie-down on the ladder section. From the left side of the platform, swing the rope/strap around the right side of the tree - as low as you can go, bring it around to the left side, and attach to the right side of the platform. Maybe wrap the rope/strap around the tree twice before the final platform attachment?

Again. Just thinking out loud.
 
gcr0003 said:
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Not sure if it was explicitly made in that video but good point in there about shape of contact pattern(specifically tires). Narrow tires have a narrower contact pattern that cuts through water rather than plowing it forward. Not sure I can draw a parallel to this discussion but something I’d forgotten.
 
Center Punch said:
This makes no difference to me as I haven't had a need to put much side pressure on my platform.

No matter how the teeth are configured, it seems like the use of an additional tie down on the platform would pay higher dividends.
Something tied from below.

Thinking out loud:

How about two posts, 4-6" apart, that drop down just like the post on the top swings upward. Tie them to the tree.

OR

No lower posts. Just tie the platform the way I've seen some ladder stands use a tie-down on the ladder section. From the left side of the platform, swing the rope/strap around the right side of the tree - as low as you can go, bring it around to the left side, and attach to the right side of the platform. Maybe wrap the rope/strap around the tree twice before the final platform attachment?

Again. Just thinking out loud.
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I’d tend to agree, but at least for me it would be solving an issue I’ve never had. I’m mostly a sitter more than a leaner so downward angle isn’t really important. Maybe more importantly is 100% of the time I’m either a sitter or leaner, never a swinger… so with a foot always on the platform and it doesn’t come up. All you Kramers out there may have a different experience. IMG_4129.gif
 
This talk is crazy. The attachment rope is not good on the platform. The sheath stretches and separates from the core. So it is difficult to get really tight. Use a daisy chain with a truckers hitch for mechanical advantage and get it tight using the button. The platform doesn’t move. It’s solid as can be. About as solid as a custom gear fix with the cam strap.
 
enkriss said:
This talk is crazy. The attachment rope is not good on the platform. The sheath stretches and separates from the core. So it is difficult to get really tight. Use a daisy chain with a truckers hitch for mechanical advantage and get it tight using the button. The platform doesn’t move. It’s solid as can be. About as solid as a custom gear fix with the cam strap.
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What are your thoughts on the hang free attachment system used on this platform?

BT
 
enkriss said:
This talk is crazy. The attachment rope is not good on the platform. The sheath stretches and separates from the core. So it is difficult to get really tight. Use a daisy chain with a truckers hitch for mechanical advantage and get it tight using the button. The platform doesn’t move. It’s solid as can be. About as solid as a custom gear fix with the cam strap.
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Good point. I forgot I kind of milked the sheath down around the core and cut off the excess, but I still use it that way. I have no issues with daisy chains but prefer them for sticks(if not using a cam cleat). Personally just don’t think my RZR benefits from being any tighter than I get it with the standard method, in fact I’ve been limiting how much I cam it down on harder/smooth bark trees and that allows it to accept a downward angle a little better(again no extreme angles for me though, just slight up or down) and it doesn’t budge.
 
Black Titan said:
What are your thoughts on the hang free attachment system used on this platform?

BT
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From what I can tell that’s just their name for a USA. I personally don’t like them as much as a daisy chain, but the USA pro(second loop) is a lot better if you really want to tighten something down(and I can skip the hitch altogether)
 
Black Titan said:
What are your thoughts on the hang free attachment system used on this platform?

BT
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Not very high. It’s a prussic… not gonna be able to get it very tight. There is give for the hitch to set. Truckers hitch will get it the tightest. I use the RDA elite trucker daisys. The holes are 4” loops and makes it easier to get the hitch through
 
enkriss said:
This talk is crazy. The attachment rope is not good on the platform. The sheath stretches and separates from the core. So it is difficult to get really tight. Use a daisy chain with a truckers hitch for mechanical advantage and get it tight using the button. The platform doesn’t move. It’s solid as can be. About as solid as a custom gear fix with the cam strap.
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I’ve used a cam strap and the RZR Magnum still slipped, multiple times. That’s never happened to me with the Fix.
 
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