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There was some bad blood when tethrd announced they were going to be producing a saddle. He felt that since aero hunter donated some saddles to the 2nd saddlepalooza that they were betrayed. Also, he felt that the mantis was a rip-off of the kestrel. The mantis was a pretty dramatic departure from the kestrel, and the kite had not been announced or hinted at. The consensus was pretty quickly made that Tethrd wasn’t a rip-off, and mentioning such didn’t go over well with him. He said some things I’m sure he regrets, and when people tried pointing out blatant differences between the systems in defense of the tethrd team, he reacted poorly as a double down on his previous comments. Threads were deleted, people had to be warned, several friends/family members of his jumped on with posts that definitely weren’t acceptable to the friendly attitude of the site, and he decided to leave.

It really is a shame because he had some great ideas, was definitely influential in the evolution of modern production saddles, and seemed to be a pretty nice guy when I met him at saddlepalooza.
Also, the saddle hype that resulted from the storm of Tethrd’s spectacular promotion DEFINITELY benefited Aerohunter. They went from a big fish in a small pond, to 50% of the market share in the fastest growing segment of the hunting market. So, I don’t think the bad blood was really worth it. The owners of Aerohunter seem to be really nice people and appear to have moved past it all pretty quickly, but we lost Bobby in the process.

All of this is just my opinion, of course, and is just my imperfect recollection from when it happened.
 
IkemanTX said:
There was some bad blood when tethrd announced they were going to be producing a saddle. He felt that since aero hunter donated some saddles to the 2nd saddlepalooza that they were betrayed. Also, he felt that the mantis was a rip-off of the kestrel. The mantis was a pretty dramatic departure from the kestrel, and the kite had not been announced or hinted at. The consensus was pretty quickly made that Tethrd wasn’t a rip-off, and mentioning such didn’t go over well with him. He said some things I’m sure he regrets, and when people tried pointing out blatant differences between the systems in defense of the tethrd team, he reacted poorly as a double down on his previous comments. Threads were deleted, people had to be warned, several friends/family members of his jumped on with posts that definitely weren’t acceptable to the friendly attitude of the site, and he decided to leave.

It really is a shame because he had some great ideas, was definitely influential in the evolution of modern production saddles, and seemed to be a pretty nice guy when I met him at saddlepalooza.
Also, the saddle hype that resulted from the storm of Tethrd’s spectacular promotion DEFINITELY benefited Aerohunter. They went from a big fish in a small pond, to 50% of the market share in the fastest growing segment of the hunting market. So, I don’t think the bad blood was really worth it. The owners of Aerohunter seem to be really nice people and appear to have moved past it all pretty quickly, but we lost Bobby in the process.

All of this is just my opinion, of course, and is just my imperfect recollection from when it happened.
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Really this is pretty accurate but forgive and forget and I wish him well and would personally welcome him back. We all sin. That is why there is Christmas


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IkemanTX said:
There was some bad blood when tethrd announced they were going to be producing a saddle. He felt that since aero hunter donated some saddles to the 2nd saddlepalooza that they were betrayed. Also, he felt that the mantis was a rip-off of the kestrel. The mantis was a pretty dramatic departure from the kestrel, and the kite had not been announced or hinted at. The consensus was pretty quickly made that Tethrd wasn’t a rip-off, and mentioning such didn’t go over well with him. He said some things I’m sure he regrets, and when people tried pointing out blatant differences between the systems in defense of the tethrd team, he reacted poorly as a double down on his previous comments. Threads were deleted, people had to be warned, several friends/family members of his jumped on with posts that definitely weren’t acceptable to the friendly attitude of the site, and he decided to leave.

It really is a shame because he had some great ideas, was definitely influential in the evolution of modern production saddles, and seemed to be a pretty nice guy when I met him at saddlepalooza.
Also, the saddle hype that resulted from the storm of Tethrd’s spectacular promotion DEFINITELY benefited Aerohunter. They went from a big fish in a small pond, to 50% of the market share in the fastest growing segment of the hunting market. So, I don’t think the bad blood was really worth it. The owners of Aerohunter seem to be really nice people and appear to have moved past it all pretty quickly, but we lost Bobby in the process.

All of this is just my opinion, of course, and is just my imperfect recollection from when it happened.
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So, when people wonder why the vendor rules exist here . . . . this history explains some of it. The feelings that occurred at this time were hard and divisive on the saddlehunter.com site even if only for a short time. Ultimately some good saddlehunting resources were lost. You'll notice there are no Aerohunter representatives present here. All rules in our societies originate from something that once created problems somewhere/sometime. Just my opinion as an individual contributor. . .
 
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From my observations in this and other saddle forums, There seems to be a lot of underhanded things going on in the saddle hunting world and most of the “friendly” saddle hunting forums are hardly that.
Business owners engaging in various plots to undermine their competition. Cease and desist Letters from lawyers, new independent saddle makers using designs from larger saddle manufacturers to money grab because of the demand. Not to mention all the unsafe/bad advice being shared by all the “experts” out there.
 
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WISkyhunter said:
From my observations in this and other saddle forums, There seems to be a lot of underhanded things going on in the saddle hunting world and most of the “friendly” saddle hunting forums are hardly that.
Business owners engaging in various plots to undermine their competition. Cease and desist Letters from lawyers, new independent saddle makers using designs from larger saddle manufacturers to money grab because of the demand. Not to mention all the unsafe/bad advice being shared by all the “experts” out there.
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Unless you point to specific objective examples which I have never heard of your observations are only an opinion in my mind and are of little value.
You may be right about about the legal stuff but this is the first I have ever heard of it
As far as money grab. Competition is good. It creates improvements and fair pricing. Also profit not so called money grabbing is the incentive for hard work and innovation

All saddles have similarities. So there can be some accusations of diaper copying among all. If there is illegal copying then we have patent laws and maybe that is the legal stuff and under handed stuff that I am not aware of

As far as friendly. All human relationships will inevitably involve disagreement but this site is generally good

As far as safety. Climbing is not without risk. Handling a weapon has risk involved.
As far as bad advice. Generally bad advice on this site leads to healthy disagreements and discussions. So yes there is bad advice that is usually corrected. If you know of any bad advice please correct it Mostly I learn how to do things better and safer on this site and I am thankful for that

I notice you have only a couple of posts. Are you among the underhanded? Maybe with a company Issuing cease and desist orders Just wondering just an subjective worthless opinion. Only speculation


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WISkyhunter said:
From my observations in this and other saddle forums, There seems to be a lot of underhanded things going on in the saddle hunting world and most of the “friendly” saddle hunting forums are hardly that.
Business owners engaging in various plots to undermine their competition. Cease and desist Letters from lawyers, new independent saddle makers using designs from larger saddle manufacturers to money grab because of the demand. Not to mention all the unsafe/bad advice being shared by all the “experts” out there.
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There are other saddle forums?...who knew..
 
Nothing underhanded here, again just observations from reading various saddle forums and following all of the drama.

Seems like you guys are very aware of the drama, probably better than I, based Off the fact that this thread exists and you are all talking about Some of it.

And I don't typically post because of these kinds of overzealous speculative responses.
 
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Just to be clear, anything on the FB is NOT another saddle forum. You want solid info, come here. You want to deal with trolls, juveniles & uninformed hacks, frequent FB.
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I 100% agree with your assessment of the FB saddle groups/forums. Thats exactly why i decided to jump back on here.
 
WISkyhunter said:
From my observations in this and other saddle forums, There seems to be a lot of underhanded things going on in the saddle hunting world and most of the “friendly” saddle hunting forums are hardly that.
Business owners engaging in various plots to undermine their competition. Cease and desist Letters from lawyers, new independent saddle makers using designs from larger saddle manufacturers to money grab because of the demand. Not to mention all the unsafe/bad advice being shared by all the “experts” out there.
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very,very good observations and 100% spot on
 
The only thing keeping Bobby away is his own ego. It’s hard to say what he said to the entire forum and then casually start posting again. At this point it doesn’t even matter who was right or wrong. Much like Obama was the best gun salesman to ever walk the earth tethrd has been great for aerohunter just from the interest they have stirred up.
 
WISkyhunter said:
Nothing underhanded here, again just observations from reading various saddle forums and following all of the drama.

Seems like you guys are very aware of the drama, probably better than I, based Off the fact that this thread exists and you are all talking about Some of it.

And I don't typically post because of these kinds of overzealous speculative responses.
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@Ontariofarmer ‘s response was nowhere near overzealous or speculative. Many of us were here throughout the entire ordeal from zero manufacturers until today, and speak as participants in the very conversations you reference. So, we speak/respond from first hand experience with the drama you mention from secondhand knowledge.... unless you were affiliated with one of the companies at the time, or had a previous username you decided not to continue using, you are basing all of your opinions on after the fact hearsay and rumors.

You laid some bold claims down in your first post on this thread, all of which are unsubstantiated at this point. An entrepreneur having the audacity to enter a market with growth potential isn’t “money grabbing”, it is plain smart business.... especially when there isn’t an existing company out there fulfilling your specific needs/desires.



................................................................................All climbing methods, platforms, saddle designs, and/or use of materials possibly mentioned in the post above are not peer reviewed for safety, and should only be used as an example of my own method. Do your own research and testing before becoming confident in any DIY solution to support your life.
-IkemanTx
 
Also, I would agree with @EricS that Tethrd (whom I assume you are referring to at this point) has been an absolute blessing to Aerohunter. The Tethrd team are absolute masters of communication. Saddlehunting was not growing at its current explosive pace until AFTER their teaser/introduction content came out. Tethrd grew the potential customer base so fast with their social media prowess that neither company could keep up with demand for more than a year.

Aerohunter has always made great products, no doubt about that. But, they were VERY reluctant to transition further away from their arborist background. They hardly promoted their product outside of word of mouth, and Bobby himself had a hell of a time even getting them to understand the idea of a hunting saddle forum members wanted, much less getting them to be innovators.

Competition in the space has forced companies to be innovative with new product options, has broadened the consumer choices, and has expanded the exposure of the everyday hunter to saddlehunting....

Tell me why, again, this is all negative????


................................................................................All climbing methods, platforms, saddle designs, and/or use of materials possibly mentioned in the post above are not peer reviewed for safety, and should only be used as an example of my own method. Do your own research and testing before becoming confident in any DIY solution to support your life.
-IkemanTx
 
WISkyhunter said:
From my observations in this and other saddle forums, There seems to be a lot of underhanded things going on in the saddle hunting world and most of the “friendly” saddle hunting forums are hardly that.
Business owners engaging in various plots to undermine their competition. Cease and desist Letters from lawyers, new independent saddle makers using designs from larger saddle manufacturers to money grab because of the demand. Not to mention all the unsafe/bad advice being shared by all the “experts” out there.
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I think your assessment is accurate! I think this was a lightning rod of a topic to hop in on! We do our best here in regards to safety, there’s always gonna be a guy that wants to repel with dental floss but ........ as for active & past contributors I think you’ll enjoy the group as a whole. Really good crew here!
 
WISkyhunter said:
Nothing underhanded here, again just observations from reading various saddle forums and following all of the drama.

Seems like you guys are very aware of the drama, probably better than I, based Off the fact that this thread exists and you are all talking about Some of it.

And I don't typically post because of these kinds of overzealous speculative responses.
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Sounds like you are more in the know than at least a couple of posters here


See you in a tree, Ricky
 
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