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Climbing rope for tree access

He has one ascender Kong Futura at about chest height.
That is connected to a Petzl Croll attached to his bridge just about waist height.
When he moves up the rope, the neck piece pulls up this waist level ascender.

That is loosely connected to the top ascender AND a rope with a loop that fits his left leg.
He puts on the foot ascender "Pantin"???
That is attached directly to his left ankle so it ascends as he moves his left foot up. But won't descend when he puts weight back on his left foot.

What he didn't show is, do you have to tie off the bottom end of this? He seems to make it look easy. Does it take 10 climbs or 1000 climbs to go straight up a rope that is only tied at the top?

I like it.
 
I don't do it exactly like that. I have the hand ascender (mine is a petzl ascension where his is the Kong) my hand ascender has a loop for my left foot. Then I attach my duck or ropeman to my bridge (which is pulled tight at my waist or affixed in place in some fashion so the rope pulls smoothly through it while I climb. On my right foot I wear the petzl pantin (panteen) .
So I fix the hand ascender with loop onto rope so that the hand part is about head height and the loop is about"first step" high.
Then I attach my rope man/duck to rope to prevent me from falling and to provide more with a"seat" .I put my left foot in the loop and step in. Then sit down and raise the hand ascender again and step again. Maybe two to three times before the rope is taut and I'm one step off the ground.
Then I sit in my sling/saddle and bend down to attach the foot ascender to the rope.
The weight of the rope after a step or two will pull the rope through the foot ascender as I climb. Then I stand up, and take the first step with the right leg (foot ascended).
After that, if all things work the way they're supposed to, I just alternate between stepping with the right foot and then lifting my left hand (the hand ascender which pulls my left foot along with it). I'm attached at my bridge just in case one of the others fails (which the foot ascender Sometimes does when I'm wearing bulky clothing because I'm not keeping vertical form properly- the foot ascender well allow the rope to escape to the side if not fairly vertical).
The result of all this is:
Step with right foot, step with left foot/hand. It's easy. It just takes a little practice and it sounds more complicated than it is

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essdub said:
This is maybe the closest thing I could find in a video to how I've been doing it.
Except I try to be quiet.
And I use the duck or ropeman attached to my saddles bridge (I tighten it all the way if it's adjustable or use a string tied in a loop thrown over my neck to keep the ascender somewhere around chest level)in place of the croll.
And I'm wearing a modified aero hunter or sling.
And camo.
I used to do this with knots instead of ascenders, but knots get kinda bound up when you put your weight on them and sometimes it was real work positioning myself to move them. So I switched to mechanical ascender for bridge, hand ascender with foot loop, and a petzl pantin foot ascender

https://youtu.be/8SpQ1AC0Ikw

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That video is one of the 2 methods I use to climb the rope. I used that method probably 15 times this season without any preset trees.
 
Maustypsu said:
He has one ascender Kong Futura at about chest height.
That is connected to a Petzl Croll attached to his bridge just about waist height.
When he moves up the rope, the neck piece pulls up this waist level ascender.

That is loosely connected to the top ascender AND a rope with a loop that fits his left leg.
He puts on the foot ascender "Pantin"???
That is attached directly to his left ankle so it ascends as he moves his left foot up. But won't descend when he puts weight back on his left foot.

What he didn't show is, do you have to tie off the bottom end of this? He seems to make it look easy. Does it take 10 climbs or 1000 climbs to go straight up a rope that is only tied at the top?

I like it.
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Ok I climb exactly like that video except a different hand ascender. I have a hand ascender with a foot loop. The croll attaches to my bridge and I have just a small piece of accessory cord that goes from the croll around my neck. I have a petzl pantin foot ascender on my right foot.

I put the hand ascender on first then hook my croll up to my bridge and the rope and put my lanyard over my neck. I raise the hand ascender up and then stand up in the foot loop. As I stand up in the foot loop I pull the croll up with my neck. Once I get a few feet off the ground I put my foot ascender on the rope. Now I just add in standing on the foot ascender while I raise the hand ascender and up the rope I go.

I am going to make a couple videos sometime after the season. I think this method is great, but I will say that it requires much more practice than other climbing methods and you need to be in better shape also. I am still having trouble climbing the rope with my cold weather clothing on in the cold.
 
Has this been posted? Guy uses Petzl's RAD system and it has a 2:1 mechanical advantage. I was concerned with the sweat/effort as well, but it sounds like it works quite well and minimal gear to haul in.
http://youtu.be/eOOBbr_0Bdg
 
essdub said:
This is maybe the closest thing I could find in a video to how I've been doing it.
Except I try to be quiet.
And I use the duck or ropeman attached to my saddles bridge (I tighten it all the way if it's adjustable or use a string tied in a loop thrown over my neck to keep the ascender somewhere around chest level)in place of the croll.
And I'm wearing a modified aero hunter or sling.
And camo.
I used to do this with knots instead of ascenders, but knots get kinda bound up when you put your weight on them and sometimes it was real work positioning myself to move them. So I switched to mechanical ascender for bridge, hand ascender with foot loop, and a petzl pantin foot ascender

https://youtu.be/8SpQ1AC0Ikw

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I suppose you can take your time and not treat it as a race, but I'm guessing you work up a sweat trying to get up the tree that fast. Still need something for descending, right? That micro frog is only for getting into the tree.
 
boone0 said:
Yup! That's whispers_death. This is a long thread but completely worth the read. Here is his post accompanying the video.

http://www.saddlehunter.com/forum/viewt ... 2117#p2117
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Worked my way through all of it. Micro Frog looks good and so does the Advanced RAD. Would love to try either one before getting into the gear and rope. Anyone live in SE Pa?

System seems ideal for how I hunt. I'm new to saddles, but I have private spots I can preset trees and even on public land, worst case is you lose some preset 550 cord or someone hunts near your spot.
 
I usually move fairly fast. As fast as I can go quietly.
No, unless I have a scare (thinking that something is wrong or I forgot something) I almost never work up a sweat while climbing a rope or using spurs. Unless it's really warm. To me, once you get accustomed to it and trust your always -checked -out equipment, it's no more strenuous than climbing preset steps (although I strongly recommend having a pull string in the tree before you hunt it, otherwise you could make noise or work up a sweat trying to get the darn rope in the tree in the dark)
As far as descending, I use a grigri2 but there are other options.
This year my preferred method has been to spur up the tree and attach the rope then grigri down. Then pull the paracord in as I pull the rope out

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I have only done a little bit of rope climbing, but I have found much easier than 3 sticks with extra steps made of webbing. With anything go slow and quiet...might add 5 minutes but you're quieter if you take your time.
 
Anyone looked at or tried Petzl's zigzag? It's a mechanical prusik but it looks like it can be used for ascent and descent. Any reason this couldn't/shouldn't be used instead of other solutions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFsqpNk ... e=youtu.be

This was a suggestion based on a conversation with a vendor while trying to put together an all black Advanced RAD kit.
 
jtkratzer said:
Anyone looked at or tried Petzl's zigzag? It's a mechanical prusik but it looks like it can be used for ascent and descent. Any reason this couldn't/shouldn't be used instead of other solutions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFsqpNk ... e=youtu.be

This was a suggestion based on a conversation with a vendor while trying to put together an all black Advanced RAD kit.
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It might work for SRT, but Petzl's website says only for use on doubled ropes, and in the comments under that video they say it is not intended to be used for SRT.
 
redsquirrel said:
jtkratzer said:
Anyone looked at or tried Petzl's zigzag? It's a mechanical prusik but it looks like it can be used for ascent and descent. Any reason this couldn't/shouldn't be used instead of other solutions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFsqpNk ... e=youtu.be

This was a suggestion based on a conversation with a vendor while trying to put together an all black Advanced RAD kit.
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It might work for SRT, but Petzl's website says only for use on doubled ropes, and in the comments under that video they say it is not intended to be used for SRT.
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The way it functions, it doesn't look like it would work with SRT. Just wondering if it's a one piece solution to eliminate ascent/descent specific equipment.
 
jtkratzer said:
redsquirrel said:
jtkratzer said:
Anyone looked at or tried Petzl's zigzag? It's a mechanical prusik but it looks like it can be used for ascent and descent. Any reason this couldn't/shouldn't be used instead of other solutions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFsqpNk ... e=youtu.be

This was a suggestion based on a conversation with a vendor while trying to put together an all black Advanced RAD kit.
Click to expand...

It might work for SRT, but Petzl's website says only for use on doubled ropes, and in the comments under that video they say it is not intended to be used for SRT.
Click to expand...

The way it functions, it doesn't look like it would work with SRT. Just wondering if it's a one piece solution to eliminate ascent/descent specific equipment.
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Gotcha. If you go with RADS then your grigri or pro would serve a similar purpose and be used for both ascent and descent.
 
redsquirrel said:
Gotcha. If you go with RADS then your grigri or pro would serve a similar purpose and be used for both ascent and descent.
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At this point, it doesn't really matter, but I thought the ascending and descending functions are separated between going up with the Ascension/foot loop and descending/repelling with the Rig. It appears the zigzag does both, but the rope system and TIP seem to be quite a bit different.

In other news, I spoke to TreeStuff and they'll get the all black components for you from Petzl for their Advanced RAD kit.
 
That seems like a good deal considering the rig is like $180.
 
If you're looking for something for both Ascent and Descent you should look at the Singing Tree Rope Runner. That device is good for SRT and the function is amazing. I got to watch a guy bomb out of a tree from 30-40 feet up and come to a dead stop before he hit the ground. Little pricey though. Another solution if you're ok with using prus chord is the Ropetek Hitch Hiker.
 
This may be off topic but since we are on ropes and throw lines. Has anyone ever used a rope for crossing creeks or deep ditches?


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noxninja said:
This may be off topic but since we are on ropes and throw lines. Has anyone ever used a rope for crossing creeks or deep ditches?


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Just guessing there would be too much stretch and sag to use a rope like a zip line.
 
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