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Climbing rope for tree access

jtkratzer said:
Does that work for going around the trunk - the method of hauling the throw bag up from the side from where you just threw it? I'm trying to cinch on the trunk so I can hunt right from the climbing rope and don't have to set up a tree strap, too.

I think the bottom line is trees like the pines in my front yard are the opposite of good for this method of climbing. I could see using a few steps or sticks to get into the branches and then use them to climb up to where I want my cinch and simply drape the paracord around the tree to haul the climbing up. And that's only if the tree is THE tree to hunt from. If it were on a spot I wanted to hunt, it definitely would give lots of background and concealment, just not a tree where a throw line will work to cinch around the trunk nice and neat.

You usually don't have to go around the trunk. Most of the time my rope is in the crotch of a limb which puts the rope close enough to the trunk. Every once in a while I find a tree that I REALLY want to hunt but I can't get my climbing rope to a good place for shooting opportunities. So I carry a extra lanyard or I use my lineman's belt as a lanyard around the trunk and I just transition back to the climbing line to repel out. With trees like that you could probably just use the rope to get you into the canopy then hand climb to where you want to be but I would say still use use a lanyard while you're leapfrogging in case you slip.
 
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DIYSaddler said:
jtkratzer said:
I'll try it. Was doing the one hand at my side thing. Accuracy wasn't so much of the issue, it was the unrealistically tight spaces and ridiculous number of branches I was trying to navigate through.

The three pines were balled Christmas trees that were planted 30+ years ago. Just a lot of obstacles to get through to cinch around the trunk, rather than the trunk and six branches making the cinch 12' wide.

I use the two handed method as well and I can get a throw into a tree about about 60' up that way.
Found this on a google search.


Once you get on the branch you want to isolate the line just attach your weight to the other end of your throw line and pull it up to the point where you are thrown in. Then just lower it back down and it should fallow the path of the other end of the rope. If it falls on the wrong side of one branch just bump the throw weight off a limb to get it swinging and then let it drop when it's on the side of the branch you want.
That is exactly the method I was trying to describe

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DIYSaddler said:
jtkratzer said:
Does that work for going around the trunk - the method of hauling the throw bag up from the side from where you just threw it? I'm trying to cinch on the trunk so I can hunt right from the climbing rope and don't have to set up a tree strap, too.

I think the bottom line is trees like the pines in my front yard are the opposite of good for this method of climbing. I could see using a few steps or sticks to get into the branches and then use them to climb up to where I want my cinch and simply drape the paracord around the tree to haul the climbing up. And that's only if the tree is THE tree to hunt from. If it were on a spot I wanted to hunt, it definitely would give lots of background and concealment, just not a tree where a throw line will work to cinch around the trunk nice and neat.

You usually don't have to go around the trunk. Most of the time my rope is in the crotch of a limb which puts the rope close enough to the trunk. Every once in a while I find a tree that I REALLY want to hunt but I can't get my climbing rope to a good place for shooting opportunities. So I carry a extra lanyard or I use my lineman's belt as a lanyard around the trunk and I just transition back to the climbing line to repel out. With trees like that you could probably just use the rope to get you into the canopy then hand climb to where you want to be but I would say still use use a lanyard while you're leapfrogging in case you slip.

Absolutely. That was the thought. Get into the branches, climb myself with the linemen belt while hauling the climbing rope up. Set it up myself, hook in, and repel back down. I'm planning to get as many of the trees I want to hunt set up before April is gone so I don't have to fight with the throw bag other than an on the fly hunt somewhere new.
 
jtkratzer said:
Absolutely. That was the thought. Get into the branches, climb myself with the linemen belt while hauling the climbing rope up. Set it up myself, hook in, and repel back down. I'm planning to get as many of the trees I want to hunt set up before April is gone so I don't have to fight with the throw bag other than an on the fly hunt somewhere new.

Just remember you can bring your throw line with you into the tree and make secondary throws to move up higher into the tree. I've also had trees that I wasn't able to get a throw line as high as I wanted to so I climb into the lower level and clip off with my lanyard. Then tie my climbing rope into a monkey's fist then throw to the branch I want.
 
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Erniepower said:
Great idea, I bet a piece of fleece that can be folded into thirds and then rolled up would work great for this. Just pile the line like you show here then fold the two sides up and roll. It's probably much faster than trying to stuff it into a bag. Then next time you use it, just unroll the mat. It seems like it would be easier for the line to pay out when you throw from a mat rather than a bag.

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Funny, I did exactly that. It's about 24x32" if I remember correctly. Has 5 pockets to store throw line, paracord for leaving in the tree, throw weight, and a fleece pocket opposite to the five slots for storing stuff. I planned this to be used primarily for when I planned on setting up a new tree. The idea is, it's gotta go somewhere, a small roll bag weighs as much as a pouch, and this gives me the ability to organize the pieces and provides an area to flake out the line where it won't get caught on things, ruining the 1 in 100 good throw I make.

Ernie, if you're interested, send me another $5 on paypal and I'll drop it in with the climbing stick tomorrow morning. If you don't like it once you have it in hand, just mail it back and I'll send you $5 back. No worries either way, I just know I won't be using it soon and it came out better than I expected.

Rolled up, without the webbing packed in.
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The green fleece pocket can go one of two ways.
1. Storage for webbing for a base tie off on an on the fly hunt.

2. When packing up, if in a hurry, just flake all the line onto the tarp. Shove it under the fleece and roll up. No tangles when you get home and have time to re organize.

Quiet fabric, not heavy (4 oz), not really necessary, but I like it. When I actually am in the woods, I think one of my biggest problems has been setting up (by any method) is way too loud. So going forward, I've been approaching any change I want to make by asking: will this make things quieter, easier, and lighter? If it doesn't contribute very much to these goals, it's probably best to skip.
 
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boone0 said:
Funny, I did exactly that. It's about 24x32" if I remember correctly. Has 5 pockets to store throw line, paracord for leaving in the tree, throw weight, and a fleece pocket opposite to the five slots for storing stuff. I planned this to be used primarily for when I planned on setting up a new tree. The idea is, it's gotta go somewhere, a small roll bag weighs as much as a pouch, and this gives me the ability to organize the pieces and provides an area to flake out the line where it won't get caught on things, ruining the 1 in 100 good throw I make.

MAN!! That's great! Add one more project to my off season!! Right now I've just been using the jacket because I have to carry it anyway and I just put the throw line rolled up in the backpack with it but early season this would be great. Mega Kudos to You!
 
I would assume if you are hunting at 25 feet you would need around 40 feet of rope in order to get it secured. I was thinking, to save weight and money has anyone tried to just extend a shorter rope with paracord.
 
lpv77 said:
I would assume if you are hunting at 25 feet you would need around 40 feet of rope in order to get it secured. I was thinking, to save weight and money has anyone tried to just extend a shorter rope with paracord.

You really only need a little longer than the height that you plan to hunt, but the trick is getting the end of the rope through your delta (or spliced loop, whatever you are using). It is easy when you have double the rope and you can do it by hand, but when you are trying to get it to slide through when its 10-20 feet up it is much harder. Whispers death posted a trick early in this thread where you put a hole through the end of the rope, create a paracord loop and tape it all up so that it makes it slide through easier.
 
I plan on using an expandable nylon sleeve. It's like a Chinese finger trap.

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Where did you get that? I was looking at the metal electrician ones
 
I love reading this thread every now and then. Great stuff guys. I didn't get to hunt at all last season. Dad (76) was in ICU for 61 days starting from September to December after routine bypass and carotid surgery. Lots of rehab after that. He is now finally coming out of it. I've missed all of this.

Whispers Death
 
Sorry about your dad but good to hear that he is recovering!


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Whispers Death said:
I love reading this thread every now and then. Great stuff guys. I didn't get to hunt at all last season. Dad (76) was in ICU for 61 days starting from September to December after routine bypass and carotid surgery. Lots of rehab after that. He is now finally coming out of it. I've missed all of this.

Whispers Death

We've missed you! You really got this thread going and opened up a lot of eyes that we could climb trees like this! :D

I'm sorry to hear about your dad, but I'm glad he is coming out of it and hope he continues to get better!
 
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Whispers Death said:
I love reading this thread every now and then. Great stuff guys. I didn't get to hunt at all last season. Dad (76) was in ICU for 61 days starting from September to December after routine bypass and carotid surgery. Lots of rehab after that. He is now finally coming out of it. I've missed all of this.

Whispers Death
I'm happy your dad is doing better. And welcome back.

Shaun
 
Hi All,

This is my first post, and while I should probably post over in the Welcome sub-forum I wanted to share some information I thought pertinent to this thread.

For starters, I have been climbing trees recreationally for about 10 years, off and on, and I really love being in the canopy. I'm by no means a pro--just an enthusiast. I have only been hunting big game seriously for a few years though (elk, deer, black bear, very low success rate I might add). I was excited to find this site after I decided that I wanted to hunt from trees, and this thread has a ton of great info for all who take the time to read. Also, people here seem positive and supportive My personal SRT method when climbing for fun is very similar to what Whispers Death and Red Squirrel have been experimenting with and implementing. If I don't climb DRT it's RADS for SRT. There are lots of bees and hornets where I live and RADS allows me to scoot out quickly without having to detach from one system and reattach to another. I'm not confident I could do that while panicking and getting stung.

Last season I only hunted from my Walkabout saddle once, my first time too. I think I made so much noise setting up I scared every deer out of the county. The tree I chose was a pine with its first limbs 75 feet up (didn't pick it because it was tallish, it happened to be in the right spot.) I didn't intend to hunt from that height, but I had to anchor my rope there. Well, as many of you have pointed out, setup on the fly can be challenging. My first throwbag got lodged and wouldn't come free, which meant I had to climb all the way up to dislodge the bag after getting a suitable anchor to climb from. Well, I freed the throwbag but I was also visible to any deer within a half mile radius, and also the clanking of my Petzl Rig and all the other gear I was experimenting with surely alerted my presence. What had previously been a DNR parcel freshly logged and teeming with deer audibly crunching around the dry slash was now dead silent because of me.

I also learned that the Walkabout is a fine saddle for climbing and exploring canopies, but not so much for hanging from for hours. Even though I knew I had blown my chance for deer that evening I stayed in the tree to try to see what worked for me regarding my lanyards and other gear for hunting.

So, now that I got through a bit of introduction I was hoping to share a few things based off my experience just climbing for fun that may or may not help somebody on here. I read through all the posts and found that some of you have encountered the same challenges as myself. I will offer my hack solutions in case it is useful to any other readers on the forum. And I apologize if any of this has been mentioned elsewhere and I skipped over it.

The first one is how I deal with the inefficiency that is introduced by a rope or webbing bridge while climbing SRT. The rope bridge, even when short, creates some slop that steals your energy and makes you work harder than necessary. So, when I plan to climb with my RADS system I first hook a Mallion Rapide steel screw lock delta or semi circle up to the two cats paws on either side of the saddle. This brings them both together in the middle and removes the slop. It needs some tape or something though because it can be noisy. To remove it once aloft you make sure your rope bridge is secured to a life safety tie in first before standing on your platform or whatever to take the tension from the delta. Takes a bit of practice to get comfortable but easy enough. This works for me right now but it may not be a permanent solution in your case.

Next, somebody was asking about double footloops. You can set it up simply using a length of prussik cord tied into a loop, then tie a triple crown knot. After time it really does just seem easier to use a single loop though.

The last thing I thought I would comment on is where somebody asked about crossing creeks. A certain redwood researcher in California uses the Tyrolean traverse to cross creeks all the time with many lbs of tree climbing and scientific equipment. I think it's tricky to set up though. He also sets up pulleys in the canopy for easy rentry and repeated visits.

Anyways, I hope that this info is at least slightly useful. Maybe to spark some more creative thought if nothing else!
 
Rhytidome said:
Hi All,

This is my first post, and while I should probably post over in the Welcome sub-forum I wanted to share some information I thought pertinent to this thread.

For starters, I have been climbing trees recreationally for about 10 years, off and on, and I really love being in the canopy. I'm by no means a pro--just an enthusiast. I have only been hunting big game seriously for a few years though (elk, deer, black bear, very low success rate I might add). I was excited to find this site after I decided that I wanted to hunt from trees, and this thread has a ton of great info for all who take the time to read. Also, people here seem positive and supportive My personal SRT method when climbing for fun is very similar to what Whispers Death and Red Squirrel have been experimenting with and implementing. If I don't climb DRT it's RADS for SRT. There are lots of bees and hornets where I live and RADS allows me to scoot out quickly without having to detach from one system and reattach to another. I'm not confident I could do that while panicking and getting stung.

Last season I only hunted from my Walkabout saddle once, my first time too. I think I made so much noise setting up I scared every deer out of the county. The tree I chose was a pine with its first limbs 75 feet up (didn't pick it because it was tallish, it happened to be in the right spot.) I didn't intend to hunt from that height, but I had to anchor my rope there. Well, as many of you have pointed out, setup on the fly can be challenging. My first throwbag got lodged and wouldn't come free, which meant I had to climb all the way up to dislodge the bag after getting a suitable anchor to climb from. Well, I freed the throwbag but I was also visible to any deer within a half mile radius, and also the clanking of my Petzl Rig and all the other gear I was experimenting with surely alerted my presence. What had previously been a DNR parcel freshly logged and teeming with deer audibly crunching around the dry slash was now dead silent because of me.

I also learned that the Walkabout is a fine saddle for climbing and exploring canopies, but not so much for hanging from for hours. Even though I knew I had blown my chance for deer that evening I stayed in the tree to try to see what worked for me regarding my lanyards and other gear for hunting.

So, now that I got through a bit of introduction I was hoping to share a few things based off my experience just climbing for fun that may or may not help somebody on here. I read through all the posts and found that some of you have encountered the same challenges as myself. I will offer my hack solutions in case it is useful to any other readers on the forum. And I apologize if any of this has been mentioned elsewhere and I skipped over it.

The first one is how I deal with the inefficiency that is introduced by a rope or webbing bridge while climbing SRT. The rope bridge, even when short, creates some slop that steals your energy and makes you work harder than necessary. So, when I plan to climb with my RADS system I first hook a Mallion Rapide steel screw lock delta or semi circle up to the two cats paws on either side of the saddle. This brings them both together in the middle and removes the slop. It needs some tape or something though because it can be noisy. To remove it once aloft you make sure your rope bridge is secured to a life safety tie in first before standing on your platform or whatever to take the tension from the delta. Takes a bit of practice to get comfortable but easy enough. This works for me right now but it may not be a permanent solution in your case.

Next, somebody was asking about double footloops. You can set it up simply using a length of prussik cord tied into a loop, then tie a triple crown knot. After time it really does just seem easier to use a single loop though.

The last thing I thought I would comment on is where somebody asked about crossing creeks. A certain redwood researcher in California uses the Tyrolean traverse to cross creeks all the time with many lbs of tree climbing and scientific equipment. I think it's tricky to set up though. He also sets up pulleys in the canopy for easy rentry and repeated visits.

Anyways, I hope that this info is at least slightly useful. Maybe to spark some more creative thought if nothing else!
Welcome to the site and thanks for sharing your insights! :thumbup:
 
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